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澳洲郭沫若-澳共希Er主席 2018-03-20 10:37:40

      混救济金的老家伙 —— 

     澳大利亚共产党(马列)主席泰德·希Er同志


50岁以上的国人一定熟悉,在1968-1979年间,凡是中共重大节日、

毛泽东生日,都有一个澳共(马列)主席希Er的贺电。来到中国访问,

也是按照副国级招待。到了澳洲才知道,澳共马列,就是由 20 多个

工人老大爷组成,混救济金的老家伙。现在已经没了。每次收到邀请

去中国,中共一律发路费,津贴。

          —— 评论人:蓝色约翰 发送时间: 2017年12月01日 18:19:10

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  澳大利亚特产的郭沫若同志 ——

      紧跟中国政治的澳共(马列)主席希Er同志

                                  2014-11-16 10:18:43

   习近平的澳大利亚之行以及澳前总理惠特拉姆逝世,不禁使人回

顾起中澳关系发展,如果说1972年惠特拉姆领导的工党执政後立即

与中国建交,是“中国人民的老朋友”,那厶,澳大利亚共产党(马

思列宁主Yi)主席 Edward Fowler Hill/ Ted Hill ( 1915-1988 ) 

泰德·希Er,则是紧跟中国政治的郭沫若式的人物。


     1922年就加入共产国际的澳共,上世纪60年代初随Zhe中苏两党的

巡鶪婴C为两大派,主流派亲苏,而党内极左派希Er另立中央,成了澳

共(马列),宣布除马列外,还信仰毛泽东思想,于是在中国处于封闭

状态下,希Er立即成为中国的座上宾。虽然希Er仅仅是一位在野小党且

与中国尚未建交国家的领导人,但在中国Que享受国家元首的仪。

毛泽东会见来访的澳大利亚共产党(马列)主席希  

1963年7月22日,毛泽东主席亲切会见来访的澳大利亚共产党(马列)主席希Er (左二)及夫人

            1964年,毛泽东主席亲切会见澳共主席希Er同志

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 1966年,毛主席在天安门城楼上为澳大利亚共产党主席希Er的《毛主席语录》签名

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    Edward Fowler Hill 希Er同志站立于毛林中间

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   1964年4月8日,陶铸同志宴请澳大利亚共产党(马克思列宁主憛^主席泰德·希Er同志烤乳R

访中国,毛泽东会亲自接见,其消息会大篇幅地刊登在各级党报的

头版头条。周恩来等领导人会与之进行正式会谈并到机场迎送。而希

Er更是紧跟中国政治。“文革”爆发,希Er在澳报刊撰文,称世界上

只有美帝苏修和各国反动派惧怕“文化大革命”,毛泽东在天安门城

楼检阅红卫兵,希Er和夫人作为国宾也登上城楼,臂戴红卫兵袖章,

手拿“红书”,夹在林彪、周恩来、陈伯达、康生中祝福毛主席万

uWu疆。


     最称奇的是1970年2月27日,新华社刊发消息,并转发希Er在澳

共(马列)〈〈先锋报〉〉上的撰文“热情赞扬我国革命Yang板戏”。

希埵b文中写道“他看到了中国人民的一些新艺术”同中国领导人一

道观看了《红灯记》《智取威虎山》《红色娘子军》的演出。这些演

出“同我们在澳大利亚看到的演出形成鲜明对照”,在演出中看到的

是“反对卑鄙的地主、资本家、法西斯侵略者的斗争的英雄的工农兵

形象,”“中国人民的这些艺术创作是有利于中国人民壮丽的解放斗

争和中国人民宏伟的社会主Yi事业的接好宣传,他们的艺术水平比起

像澳大利亚这帚漱@些美帝国主樽从国家里的污秽不堪的文艺来,

要超过整整一个时代。”“几年前澳大利亚报纸对我进行了攻击,因

为我我批判了芭蕾舞《天鹅湖》,认为它是为反动阶级服务的。”

“在中国看到的革命Yang板戏,是在反对刘少奇及其同伙的压制的及其

艰巨的斗争中诞生的,江青本人是天才的艺术家,她站在革命者反对

修正主樽争的最前列。”“ 产阶级文化大革命的显著胜利之一,

就是粉碎了刘少奇在文化领域的反革命路线”。希Er的政治表态使他

成为天安门城楼的常客,国庆观Li的次数超过了金日成、胡志明、崔

庸健等。70年代每次访华,周恩来、姚文元等都陪同其参加各种活动。

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    1976年,江青“四人鞢身迉x,“文革”结束,希Er立即称赞起

了“中国人民的英明领袖华国锋同志粉碎四人顒伟大斗争”,他盛

赞过的帚O戏和天才的艺术家江青立即成为他讨伐的对象,此後的希

埵角F华国锋的座上宾,华国锋、邓小平、李先念都曾亲切会见希

同志,随茪国的改革开放希堣]对之赞颂起来——从华国锋的深入

揭批“四人鞢芋A抓纲治国,到为刘少奇平反昭雪,祟扣_定“文革”

而全面改革开放。华国锋政治失势後,希Er又获得了胡耀邦的接待,

成了胡耀邦总书记的贵宾。一贯紧跟是希Er同志的风范。

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Chairman Mao Is the Greatest Genius of Marxism-Leninism of the Present Era 

      毛主席是当代最伟大的马克思列宁主Yi天才

-Article by E.F. Hill, Chairman of the Comr.'..unist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) Comrade E.F. HILL, Chairman of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leni:1:st), in a recent article published in the paper Vanguard, warmly praised l 1 4a? Tse-tung's thought and China's great proletarian cultural revolution and strongly denounced the scheme of China's Khrushchov who tried in vain to restore capitalism in China. 

"Mao Tse-tung's thought is the highest development of :Marxism-Leninism, it is a new stage of MarxismLeninism," the article says. "Mao Tse-tung's thought guides the revolutionary people throughout the world in their revolutionary practice and struggle" and "Mao Tse-tung's thought, being the highest development of Marxism-Leninism, is a guide to action, revolutionary action." The article points out: to answer the needs of the times a great genius has arisen- Mao Tse-tung. In our own time Chairman Mao is understood as a genius of Marxism-Leninism. The Chinese people vvish Chairman Mao a long, long life. And so do we. "We do so just January 19, 1968 because he has made, is making and will rnake the longest single contribution to the development of Marxism-Leninism." Chairman Mao "has mor~ actual experience in lead~ ing and guiding the revolutionary struggle than anyone in history." "No other Marxist-Leninist has in any similar degree studied and developed and practised class struggle under the dictatorship of the proletariat. The daring confidence of Chairman Mao in developing the great proletarian cultural revolution in China is only one of many evidences of his might as a genius of Marxism-Leninism.'' The article condemns the scheme of China's Khrushchov to turn China back to capitalism. At every development of the Chinese revolution, a bunch of scoundrels headed by China's Khrushchov opposed Chairman Mao, it says. "They are renegades from Marxism-Leninism and many of them long time renegades. They have concealed themselves skilfully in order to serve the capitalist class, the imperialists. They l9 are China's modern revisionists." This bunch of scoundrels headed by China's Khrushchov, the article points out, tried desperately to suppress Mao Tse-tung's thought. "They tried in every way to turn China back to capitalism." But "the masses are invincible when armed with Mao Tse-tung's thought. Today in China a great victory for Mao Tse-tung's thought has been won." Hailing the great victory of China's great proletarian cultural revolution, it states: "The victory is not only for China. It is for the toiling and oppressed people of the world. Mao Tse-tung's thought has been spread far and wide." "Mao Tse-tung·s thought is now acknowledged by ever growing millions as the highest development of Marxism-Leninism. Those millions are finding its correctness in the fire of class struggle," the article points out. The article stresses: "Facts, practice, history have demonstrated Chairman Mao as the great teacher, great leader, great supreme commander, great helmsman of the oppressed people of the world." The article concludes: Recognition of Chairman Mao's outstanding genius as a Marxist-Leninist right now is a vital question of Marxism-Leninism and the revolutionary struggle. The capitalist class and modern revisionists spare no effort to destroy Chairman Mao's greatness. The workers and working people do the reverse. Australian Marxist-Leninists must raise ever higher the great red banner of Marxism-Leninism, Mao Tse-tung's thought.

- 由澳大利亚共产党(Marxist-Leni:1:st)主席EF HILL同志(澳大利亚马克思列宁主慦怴^EF HILL同志在最近发表的一篇文章Vanguard论文热烈赞扬l 1 4a?谢东的思想和中国 产阶级文化大革命,并L烈谴责中国赫鲁晓夫妄图在中国恢复资本主慦计划。


“毛泽东思想是马克思列宁主慦熙怜发展,是马克思主愦C宁主慦荧s阶段”,文章说。 “毛泽东思想指导全世界革命人民的革命实践和斗争”,“毛泽东思想是马克思列宁主慦熙怜疚珙氶A是行动指引,革命行动”。文章指出:为了回应伟大的天才出现的时代需要 - 毛泽东。在我们这个时代,毛主席被理解为马克思列宁主慦漱悀~。中国人民为毛主席奉Y了长久的人生。我们也是如此。 “我们是在1968年1月19日这庚答满A因为他已经制造并将扼杀对马克思列宁主发展的最长单一贡Y。”毛主席“在领导和领导革命斗争方面有历史上任何人的实际经验”。 “没有任何一个马克思列宁主慦怞b 产阶级专政下研究和发展和实践过阶级斗争,毛主席在发展中国 产阶级文化大革命方面的胆怯信心,只不过是他作为“这篇文章谴责中国赫鲁晓夫把中国变回资本主慦计划,在中国革命的每一个发展过程中,一群以中国赫鲁晓夫为首的反对毛主席的 赖,它说:”他们是来自马克思列宁主慦澈q徒以及其中许多长期的叛徒。他们为了服务帝国主资本家阶级而巧妙地隐瞒自己。他们是中国的现代修正主慦怴A“这篇文章指出,这批以中国赫鲁晓夫为首的流氓极力地压制毛泽东思想,”他们千方百计地把中国变回资本主憛均A但”群众在与毛泽东思想武装起来的时候是不可战胜的。今天在中国,毛泽东思想的伟大胜利赢得了胜利。“祝贺中国 产阶级文化大革命的伟大胜利,它说:”胜利不仅仅是为了中国。这是为了世界的辛劳和被压迫的人。毛泽东的思想传播得越来越 泛。“”毛泽东思想现在已经被数以亿计的人认为是马克思列宁主慦熙怜发展。这篇文章指出:“事实,实践和历史证明,毛主席是伟大的教师,伟大的领导者,伟大的最高指挥官,被压迫者的伟大舵手世界人民“。文章的结论是:承认毛主席杰出的天才是马克思列宁主慦怐权利,这是马克思列宁主憍M革命斗争的一个重要问题,资产阶级和现代修正主慦恍遗余力地破坏毛主席的伟大工人和劳动人民正好相反,澳大利亚马克思列宁主慦怚须提高马克思列宁主樽泽东思想的伟大红旗。


你从未劳神望一眼健谈的毛泽东主席与澳共主席希Er同志的谈话内容

Conversation Between Mao Zedong and 

Edward Fowler Hill, November 28, 1968


Meeting Held:  November 28, 1868.


EROL Note: This interview transcipt and the accompanying endnotes are from a document produced by the Wilson Center’s Cold War International History Project.

* * *

Mao Zedong: Did you visit China last year also at this time?

Hill: Yes, I came here last year around this time.

Mao Zedong: At that time, the working class in Beijing was not so united, and bad elements were stirring up trouble among the workers and dividing them into two factions in many factories.

Hill: Now the situation has improved tremendously.

Mao Zedong: Yes. When the bad elements have been exposed, things become better.

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: We have never cleaned up the factories in the past. Our schools had been dominated by bourgeois intellectuals. A large portion of the countryside had been controlled by bad elements. It seems to me that it is not so difficult for revisionism to prevail.

Hill: Indeed, it is not.

Mao Zedong: For example, in a People’s Commune, some brigades have been composed of several hundred households, some have been composed of several thousand households. Let’s say, 2000 households and 10,000 people, and they are under the leadership of a party branch committee. If the branch secretary is not a good person, the whole brigade will be in trouble. Have you visited two factories in Beijing?

Hill: Yes, I did.

Mao Zedong: Are the party secretaries at the factories bad elements?

Hill: I cannot remember exactly what they told me. But the leadership of the factories has been changed.

Mao Zedong: (Turning to Yao Wenyuan[1]) Have you been to the Xinhua Printing Plant?

Yao: Yes. Neither the plant manager nor the party secretary were good persons.

Mao Zedong: This plant has 3,000 workers. Together with family members, almost 10,000. It printed money during the Qing times, and served the Beiyang warlords during the Beiyang period.[2] When the Japanese took over, it served the Japanese. When the Guomindang took over, it served the Guomindang. During the ten-odd years since we took over the plant, it has served us. Many workers have remained unchanged. The main body of the work force has not changed, still consisting those who had served during the late Qing period and the Beiyang period.

Zhou Enlai[3]: Now we have added some workers. We have expanded the number of the workers.

Mao Zedong: I mean that those who are in charge have not changed. This is the social foundation for revisionism to prevail in China. Without mobilizing the masses, without thoroughly mobilizing the working class, these problems will never be solved. But if this is not enough, we should send in the People’s Liberation Army, and only then can the problems be solved.

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: I want to ask you a question. Do you know what the imperialists will do? I mean, are they going to start a world war? Or maybe they will not start the war at this moment, but will start it after a while? According to your experience in your own country and in other countries, what do you feel?

Hill: In my opinion, they have not decided to start the war. They are facing tremendous difficulties now. And it seems to me that they will not start the war for a while. At least they do not have the strength to start a war on a global scale at the present time. This is the view held by the majority of people I know. However, viewing the situation from another angle, as they have lost the ability to make correct judgments, danger for military confrontation exists. But in an overall sense, they are not in a position to start a world war now.

Mao Zedong: Both the United States and the Soviet Union have the capacity to start a war. Next to them are such defeated countries as Japan, West Germany and Italy. Neither Britain nor France is much interested in fighting a war.

Zhou Enlai: [Charles] De Gaulle even has reduced (France’s) military expenditure.

Mao Zedong: Even in Japan and West Germany, I cannot find signs to show that they are willing to fight a war. West Germany wants to annex East Germany so that Germany will be unified. Japan hopes to take back Okinawa. In actuality, Japan has not won its independence.

Zhou Enlai: The United States controls Japan militarily. There are so many American military bases there.

Mao Zedong: The situation after the end of the Second World War has been different from that after the end of the First World War. I do not know whether or not these of my opinions are correct. After World War II, the defeated countries have been unable to separate themselves from the victors. Not only in the field of finance and investment, but also in international and military affairs, they are unable to be independent from the victors. This is different from the situation after World War I. After World War I, Hitler emerged only after he had tried for a few short years.

Zhou Enlai: He did not recognize the Versailles Treaty.

Mao Zedong: He did not recognize the Versailles Treaty. At that time, the workers, intellectuals and the students in those [capitalist] countries were still willing to support the governments. The German Communist Party was such a big party, but it collapsed quickly.

Zhou Enlai: The Italian Communist Party collapsed even earlier.

Mao Zedong: The [German] Socialist Democratic Party also collapsed. The Nationalist Socialist Party and the Storm Troopers (Sturmabteilung) emerged in Germany. According to the rules of the two world wars, the United States always let other countries fight the war first, and it would take action to enter the war only after the war had been fought for two years. Now both in Korea and in Vietnam, the United States was the first to bear the brunt. It has stationed 200,000 troops in Europe, mainly in Germany. In Vietnam, there are half million. In Korea, two divisions, more than 70,000. There are also [American troops] in Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Thailand. Its military forces are scattered. It has extended two arms, one in Europe, one in Asia, involved in some small battles. Of course, the capitalists have their own calculations.

Zhou Enlai: They can make money.

Mao Zedong: The capitalists are not happy if there is no war for a long period. The capitalists in Australia are also included. They want to dispatch some troops [to Vietnam], but not many.

Kang Sheng[4]: Only four battalions and 22 planes.

Zhou Enlai: They dispatch some troops, and the Americans will give them some money.

Mao Zedong: And they can also make some money.

Hill: Now the capitalists in Australia think that they have not made enough money, and they are not satisfied.

Mao Zedong: When they are not satisfied, they will quarrel with the Americans, hoping to get more money. How could [Harold] Holt[5] have drowned during swimming.

Hill: In that area the seashore is somewhat dangerous, and many people have drowned there in the past. He went there to have fun by taking risk.

Mao Zedong: That is not bad.

Hill: This is a good way to finish them.

Mao Zedong: What is the name of your prime minister now?

Hill: [John] Gorton.[6]

Mao Zedong: This name sounds good, Gorton.

Hill: It only sounds good.

Mao Zedong: Your name also sounds good – Hill.

Hill: It only sounds good.

Mao Zedong: Indeed, it sounds good. Is it “Hill” (Mao pronounced it in English)?

Hill: Yes, it is Hill.

Mao Zedong: How about changing it to “Mountain” (Mao pronounced it in English)? I have read many articles you have written. I am not so diligent as you are. I am lazy. I have not revised some of my own writings. Some of them should be revised. For example, when some of them are to be published in a second edition, I should revise them a little bit. When there is a third edition, I should revise a little bit once more. It is not necessary for some articles to be that long. Comrade Lin Biao[7] has invented a new method, that is, to compile quotations.

Kang Sheng: The Greek language edition of Chairman Mao’s Quotations is translated by them (pointing to Hill).

Mao Zedong: Oh, it is translated by them. Confucius’s Analects is a collection of quotations. Buddhism also has collections of quotations.

Zhou Enlai: The Adamantine.

Mao Zedong: I am a very lazy person. I have never read the Bible. It does not attract me, and I do not know what is said there. Occasionally I will pick it up, but simply do not want to read it.

Hill: I fully understand what you mean as I often have the same feeling. I cannot read through it. But when I was a small boy, I was forced to read the Bible.

Mao Zedong: That is good. When you are forced to read something, that probably is good for you. Some say that I have never committed any mistake. As a matter of fact, I believed in Confucius’s feudalism when I was a little boy. Later, when I entered school, I believed in capitalism, taking [George] Washington and Napoleon as great heroes, and looking upon [Oliver] Cromwell, [Duke of] Wellington, and Admiral [Horatio] Nelson as wonderful human beings. During [Nikita] Khrushchev’s times, he often claimed that war was inevitable. But now they [the Soviet leaders] no longer make this kind of noise. To say that war is inevitable really means that war is avoidable. In recent years they no longer mention this issue. Isn’t that they seldom touch upon this issue?

Kang Sheng: They never mention this issue now. They sent troops to Czechoslovakia. At the Polish Party’s fifth national congress, this issue was not mentioned.

Mao Zedong: If that is the case, they, both the United States and the Soviet Union, and some other countries, are preparing to spread the war. As far as this is concerned, it seems that a war might begin. I am not quite sure about this question. Therefore I want to ask for your advice. But I can not force you to answer this question immediately. Can you reflect on this issue? We will come back to discuss this issue in one year’s time. But we must take people’s consciousness into our consideration. When the United Sates stopped bombing North Vietnam, American soldiers in Vietnam were very glad, and they even cheered. This indicates that their morale is not high. Is the morale of American soldiers high? Is the morale of Soviet soldiers high? Is the morale of the French, British, German, and Japanese soldiers high? The student strike is a new phenomenon in European history. Students in the capitalist countries usually do not strike. But now, all under the heaven is great chaos. Mainly in Europe, in the United States, in Latin America, and in Japan, there are student strikes. Are there also student strikes in your country?

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: In another five years, our country, in a relative sense, will be in a better position to serve the revolutions of the people in various countries, the workers’ movement, the students, and the development and expansion of real Marxist parties. Since Japan’s surrender in 1945, 23 years have passed. In another five years, 28 years will have passed. Without a war in 28 years? In reality, all kinds of wars have occurred since the end of World War II. According to Lenin, capitalism is war, and capitalism cannot exist without war. There are two superpowers in the world today. They not only have conventional weapons, but also have nuclear weapons. This is something that is not easy to deal with. They themselves also know this. Khrushchev’s theory was that if the atomic bomb were used the earth would be destroyed, and that no winner would emerge in the war. The United States also holds the same view. These two superpowers are nuclear powers. Our country, in a sense, is still a non-nuclear power. With this little nuclear weaponry, we cannot be counted as a nuclear country.[8] If we are to fight a war, we must use conventional weapons. Since we are neither the chief of staff of the Americans nor the chief of staff of the Soviets, we have no idea what exactly they are going to do, and we can only make our judgment by observing the situation. The populations of these two countries are similar, if they are to fight a large war, they will feel shortage in manpower. Now, by fighting a middle-size war, such as the war in Vietnam, the United States already has difficulties with manpower, the shortage in pilots in particular.

(Mao Zedong turned to Chen Boda[9] and Kang Sheng) What have you discussed with them?

Kang Sheng: We have discussed our Party’s Twelfth Plenum and that we are planning to convene the Ninth Party Congress. We also have discussed the true Marxist parties and groups in the world, such as the Stalin Group in the Soviet Union and some new Marxist-Leninist groups in Czechoslovakia and Poland. We also have discussed the parliamentary election questions you have discussed with the Italian comrades. Comrade Hill is particularly interested in your opinions on the “thoroughly establish” issue and on the “absolute authority” issue. He says that this discussion has been particularly enlightening for him.

Mao Zedong: The so-called “thoroughly establish” issue was mainly put forward by our former acting chief of staff Yang Chengwu.[10]Actually he was to “thoroughly establish” the authority of himself, while at the same time pursuing polycentrism. So far as “absolute authority” is concerned, I do not believe that such a thing ever exists on the earth. Marx, Engels, and Lenin seldom mentioned absolute authority, they only talked about the absolute truth. The so-called “absolute truth” is nothing but the total sum of various relative truths. This was what they had discussed, and this is what many philosophers have mentioned. I say that I have never seen “house” and I have never eaten “fruit.” What I have seen is the Great Hall of the People, or such things like the Beijing Hotel where you are staying. Except for these things, the so-called “house” is something that you cannot see. I have not eaten “fruit.” Probably you have, but I have not. I have not had peach, or pear, or apple. These are all very special names. All apples – big apples and small apples; apples produced in this province, and apples produced in that province; apples from this country, and apples from that country – are in the final analysis apples. “Fruit” is an abstract concept, although it is impossible to leave abstract concepts aside. Therefore, to follow people’s customs, we may still say that we eat fruit, or say that we live in houses. Lenin points out that the specific is one aspect or one part of the general. For example, Comrade Hill, you have a very common name, and there are people with the surname Hill everywhere. Where did the name come from?

Hill: According to the tradition in England, people often take the place where they live as their name. The name Hill probably came from people who lived on a hill. For another example, there is a name Mill, which probably comes from those whose work was related to the mill.

Mao Zedong: Do you have people with the surname Water in your country?

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: In China, there are the surnames Sui (water) and Jin (gold). But there is no such surname Yin (silver) in China, though Silver is a surname in foreign countries. In China there is also the surname Tian (field).

Zhou Enlai: Even the surname Xi (tin).

Hill: This is quite similar to tradition in England.

Mao Zedong: Is Stone a surname in your country?

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: The situations in China and in other countries are quite similar, and many surnames come from feudal states in ancient times. For example, my surname is Mao, which came from a small state about 2,000 years ago under the rule of a dynasty. It was the Zhou Dynasty, Comrade Zhou Enlai’s Zhou. (Pointing to Yao Wenyuan) Your surname is Yao, and you are the descendent of Emperor Yao. You are a descendant of an Emperor. In reality, whether or not Emperor Yao ever existed is a question.

Yao: It was legendary.

Mao Zedong: There is no evidence for the existence of Emperor Yao, Emperor Shun, or Da Yu.[11] Probably there were some tribes with those names at that time.

Zhou Enlai: And they have changed from legendary figures to historical figures.

Mao Zedong: It is said that the Zhou, which had only about 3,000 slaves, defeated the state ruled by King Zhou of the Yin,[12] which had several hundred thousand slaves. You see, how did we shift our discussion from the war issue to historical issues?

Hill: It is a pleasure to discuss them anyway.

Mao Zedong: Have you been to the United States?

Hill: No. They do not welcome a person like me and refuse to issue me a visa.

Mao Zedong: How about Europe?

Hill: That is OK.

Mao Zedong: Do you need a visa to travel from Australia to Britain?

Hill: In the past we did not need a visa. But now permission is required mainly because of labor laws. This is a problem concerning labor. For example, if I want to travel to Britain, I must first go to the British consul’s office to have my passport stamped, proving what I am going to do in Britain.

Mao Zedong: What do you tell them?

Hill: During my last two visits, I had legitimate reasons. So long as you tell them that you are a tourist and that you will be staying there only for a limited time period, they will approve your application. However, the change indicates that Great Britain has been declining. In the past traveling [from Australia] to Britain was completely [dependent] upon one’s free will. But now procedures have changed.

Mao Zedong: I am told that this is for solving the problem of unemployment. Britain has been sending its people to Canada, and sometimes also sends its people to the United States. Do they also send people to your country?

Hill: Yes, there are many British residents immigrating to Australia.

Mao Zedong: I do not mean immigration. I mean whether or not they still send people to your country now.

Hill: Yes, there are still people moving from Britain to Australia now. But they are not sent by the government; they move there by themselves.

Mao Zedong: The British government allows them to do so?

Hill: Not just allow, but even encourage.

Mao Zedong: This is for reducing the pressure on employment in its own country. I am told that the population in your country has doubled in thirty years, from six million to twelve million.

Hill: That is correct.

Mao Zedong: How long does it take to fly from your country to Hong Kong?

Hill: More than ten hours by air. The distance between Australia and Hong Kong is about 4,500 miles, which is equal to more than 7,000 kilometers.

Mao Zedong: In my opinion, the world needs to be unified. There are miles, kilometers, and sea miles, and there are also so many different languages. It is difficult to unify the language immediately, but if the world is unified these problems can be solved. In the past, many, including the Mongols, the Romans in the West, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, and the British Empire, wanted to unify the world. Today, both the United States and the Soviet Union want to unify the world. Hitler wanted to unify the world. The Japanese wanted to unify the Pacific area. But they all failed. It seems to me that the possibility to unify the world has not disappeared. The capitalist system is forcing the peoples in the world to accept capitalism, and this is a way by which to unify the world. Another way is that the peoples of the world will rise to make revolution and then unite together. In my view, the world can be unified. Now the United States is maneuvering the United Nations. I am afraid that it is not easy for either the imperialists or the revisionists to unify the world. Can they make a nuclear war, by which they will almost eliminate the population of the world, and then let the United States and the Soviet Union unify the world? But these two countries have too small a population, and they will not have enough manpower if it is dispersed. Further, they are also afraid of fighting a nuclear war. They are not afraid of eliminating population in other countries, but they are afraid of their own population being eliminated. Those countries located in the second intermediate zone, such as Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and Italy, are secondary powers. I am afraid that they are unwilling to fight a war. After all, I am afraid that we still must go the path directed by Marxism, first let peoples in various countries make revolution, and then freely unite together. Why is it necessary to have all these differences at this time? At first, the Americans loved to talk about cosmopolitanism, but later they no longer talked so much about it. In fact, they favor unifying the world. I have read your articles. The intrusion of American capital into your country has caused discontent with the Americans. There is a difference between the Vietnam War and the Korean War, that is, the European countries are not there. Britain, France, Turkey, and Belgium all participated in the Korean War. Let me put forward a question, I will try to answer it, and you will try to answer it. I will consider it, and I ask you also to consider it. This is an issue with worldwide significance. This is the issue about war. The issue about war and peace. Will we see a war, or will we see a revolution? Will the war give rise to revolution, or will revolution prevent war? All in all, now there is neither war nor revolution. Such a situation will not last long. Is it about the time to finish the meeting?

Hill: Thank you very much.

Mao Zedong: I am told that you are leaving tomorrow?

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: Have a safe journey.

Hill: Thank you very much. I thank the Chairman and the Chinese Communist Party for inviting us to visit China again. This visit is of great value for me, and it is also a great inspiration for my comrades.

Mao Zedong: Is it valuable?

Hill: Yes, extremely valuable. I fully agree with the Chairman’s opinions on the “absolute authority” issue, and I also fully agree with the Chairman’s opinion about the “thoroughly establish” question. But I also feel that we have a very important task, that is, we should go all out to spread and to apply Chairman Mao’s thoughts. In this regard, we had not anticipated the great developments that have been achieved as we see it now.

Mao Zedong: We are planning to compile a collection of quotations by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin. (Pointing toward Chen Boda and others) You are compiling the collection. Do not make it too long. If it is too long, people will have no time to read it. But do not make it too short either, if it is too short their basic ideas cannot be reflected. For example, capitalism is war. It seems that this rule no longer works now.

Zhou Enlai: Certainly it still works. After the end of World War II, small wars have never ended.

Hill: Yes.

Mao Zedong: There were also big wars, such as China’s War of Liberation.[13]

Hill: I have debated with the revisionists in Australia on this issue.

Mao Zedong: After World War I, there were China’s Northern Expedition and the ten-year Land Revolution War.[14] There was also the Spanish Civil War. (Pointing toward Zhou Enlai) Where did those five persons go?

Zhou Enlai: They were sent to Algeria by train.

Mao Zedong: We have five students in Morocco to study the language. The Moroccan government did not like these five students and expelled them. They were expelled to Algeria. Are they staying at our embassy?

Zhou Enlai: Yes, they are staying at our embassy. It (the Moroccan government) fears students.

Mao Zedong: Now some governments fear students very much. How can these five students be feared?

Yao Wenyuan: Somehow they also fear the Red Guards.

Mao Zedong: Let’s stop here.

1968年11月28日毛泽东主席与E.F. Hill同志的谈话全文

会见时间:1868年11月28日

毛泽东:你去年是否也是这个时候来过中国?

希Er:是的,去年这个时候我来到了这里。

毛泽东:当时北京的工人阶级并不那厶团结,坏分子煽动工人之间的矛盾,在许多工万里把他们分成两派。

希Er:现在情G有了很大的改善。

毛泽东:是的。当坏分子暴露出来时,事情会变得更好。

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:我们从来没有清理过工Chang。我们的学校一直以资产阶级知识分子为主。农村的很大一部分受到坏分子的控制。在我看来,修正主愦}不那厶难。

希堙G的确,事实并非如此。

毛泽东:比如在人民公社里,一些旅由数百户组成,有几千户由几千户组成。比方说,2000户和10000人,他们是在党支部委员会的领导下。如果支部书记不是好人,整个旅就会陷入困境。你有没有去过北京的两家工Chang?

希堙G是的,我做到了。

毛泽东:工Chang里的党委书记是坏分子吗?

希堙G我不记得他们告诉我什厶。但是工Chang的领导地位已经发生了变化。

毛泽东:(谈到姚文元[1])你去过新华印刷万吗?

姚:是的。Chang长和党委书记都不是好人。

毛泽东:这个工Chang有3000名工人。与家庭成员一起,近10,000人。它在清代印钞票,在北洋时期为北洋军阀服务[2]。当日本人接管时,它为日本人服务。当国民党接手时,它为国民党服务。在我们接管工Chang十多年以来,它一直为我们服务。许多工人保持不变。劳动力的主体并没有改变,仍然是在清末和北洋时期曾经服役的人。

周恩来[3]:现在我们增加了一些工人。我们扩大了工人的数量。

毛泽东:我的意思是那些负责人没有改变。这是修正主愦b中国盛行的社会基础。没有动员群众,没有祟调动工人阶级,这些问题就永远不会解芋C但如果这还不{,我们应该派人解放军,才能解问题。

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:我想问你一个问题。你知道帝国主Yi者会做什厶吗?我的意思是,他们是否会开始一场世界大战?或者也许他们现在不会开始战争,但会在一段时间後开始呢?根你在自己国家和其他国家的经历,你有什厶感受?

希堙G在我看来,他们还没有贝w开始这场战争。他们现在面临茈角j的困难。而且在我看来,他们不会在一段时间内开战。至少目前他们没有力量在全球范围内展开战争。这是我认识的大多数人所持有的观点。然而,从另一个角度来看,由于他们已经失去了作出正确判断的能力,存在军事对抗的危险。但总的来说,他们现在不能立即开始世界大战。

毛泽东:美国和苏联都有能力发动战争。在他们的旁边是日本,西德和意大利等被击败的国家。英国和法国都没有很大的兴趣去打一场战争。

周恩来:戴高乐甚至ㄓ痐F法国的军费开支。

毛泽东:即使在日本和西德,我也找不到表示愿意参加战争的迹象。西德希望吞并东德,以便德国统一。日本希望收回}绳。实际上,日本还没有赢得独立。

周恩来:美国在军事上控制日本。那里有很多美国军事基地。

毛泽东:第二次世界大战结束後的情G与第一次世界大战结束後的情G有所不同。我不知道这些意见是否正确。第二次世界大战後,被打败的国家一直 法与胜利者分离。不仅在金融和投资领域,而且在国际和军事领域,他们都不能独立于胜利者身上。这与第一次世界大战後的情G有所不同。第一次世界大战後,希特勒在经历短短几年之後才出现。

周恩来:他不承认凡赛条约。

毛泽东:他不承认凡赛条约。当时,这些[资本主嬁国家的工人,知识分子和学生仍然愿意支持政府。德国共产党是一个如此大的聚会,但它很快就崩溃了。

周恩来:意大利共产党更早就倒闭了。

毛泽东:[德国]社会主Yi民主党也崩溃了。国民党社会党和Chong锋队(Sturmabteilung)在德国出现。根两次世界大战的规则,美国总是让其他国家首先对抗战争,战争结束两年後才会采取行动进入战争。现在在韩国和越南,美国是第一个首当其}的国家。它在欧洲驻扎了20丌人,主要是在德国。越南有五十丌人。在韩国,两个师,超过70,000。日本,台湾,菲律宾和泰国也有[美军]。其军事力量分散。它扩展了两个武器,一个在欧洲,一个在亚洲,参与一些小型战斗。当然,资本家有自己的计算。

周恩来:他们可以赚钱。

毛泽东:如果长期没有战争,资本家就不会开心。澳大利亚的资本家也包括在内。他们想派出一些军队到越南,但不是很多。

康胜[4]:只有四个营和22架飞机。

周恩来:他们派出一些部队,美国人会给他们一些钱。

毛泽东:他们也可以赚一些钱。

希堙G现在澳大利亚的资本家认为他们没有赚到足{的钱,他们不满意。

毛泽东:当他们不满意时,他们会与美国人争吵,希望能获得更多的钱。

哈罗德·霍Er特[5]在游泳时怎厶会淹死。

希堙G在那个地区,海边有点危险,过去有很多人在那里溺水。他冒险冒险去那里玩。

毛泽东:这并不坏。

希堙G这是完成它们的好方法。

毛泽东:你现在的总理的名字是什厶?

希堙G[约翰]戈顿[6]

毛泽东:这个名字听起来不错,戈顿。

希堙G听起来不错。

毛泽东:你的名字听起来不错 - 希堙C

希堙G听起来不错。

毛泽东:的确,这听起来不错。它是“希堙芋]毛泽东用英语发音)?

希堙G是的,这是希堙C

毛泽东:把它改成“山”(毛泽东用英语发表)呢?我读过很多你写的文章。我不像你那厶勤奋。我很懒。我没有修改我自己的一些荍@。其中一些应该修改。例如,当其中一些要在第二版中发布时,我应该稍微修改它们。当有第三版时,我应该再修改一下。有些文章没有必要这厶长。林彪同志[7]发明了一种新方法,

即编制语录本。

康生:毛主席语录的希腊语版由他们翻译(指向希堙^。

毛泽东:哦,它是由他们翻译的。孔子的论语是一系列引文。佛教也有收集报价。

周恩来:金刚。


毛泽东:我是一个非常懒惰的人。我从未读过《圣经》。

它不吸引我,我不知道那里有什厶。偶Er我会捡起来,

但根本不想读它。


希堙G我完全理解你的意思,因为我经常有同帚荧P觉。我 法通读它。但是当我还是个小男孩的时候,我不得不读圣经。

毛泽东:那很好。当你被迫阅读某些东西时,这可能对你有好处。有人说我从未犯过任何错误。事实上,我小时候就相信孔子的封建主憛C後来,当我进入学校时,我相信资本主憛A把[乔治]华盛顿和拿破仑视为伟大的英雄,并将[奥利弗]克伦威堙A惠灵顿公爵和海勒米纳逊海军上将视为美好的人类。在赫鲁晓夫时代,他经常声称战争是不可避免的。但现在他们(苏联领导人)不再制造这种噪音。说战争是不可避免的,这意味战争是可以避免的。近年来,他们不再提这个问题。他们是不是很少涉及这个问题?

康生:他们现在从来没有提到这个问题。他们派兵到捷克斯洛伐克。在波兰党的第五次全国代表大会上,没有提到这个问题。

毛泽东:如果是这帚话,美国和苏联以及其他一些国家都在准备推 这场战争。就这一点而言,战争似乎可能开始。我不太确定这个问题。所以我想问你的建议。但我不能L迫你立即回答这个问题。你能反思这个问题吗?我们将在一年後回来讨论这个问题。但我们必须将人们的意识纳入考虑之中。当美国停止轰炸北越时,越南的美国士兵非常高兴,他们甚至为此欢呼。这表明他们的士气不高。美国士兵的士气高吗?苏联士兵的士气高吗?法国,英国,德国和日本士兵士气高涨吗?学生罢课是欧洲历史上的一个新现象。资本主国家的学生通常不会罢工。但现在,天下一切都很混乱。主要在欧洲,美国,拉丁美洲和日本,有学生罢课。你的国家也有学生罢工吗?

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:再过五年,我国在相对意樽W将更好地服务于各国人民的革命,工人运动,学生以及真正的马克思主戭F党的发展和扩张。自1945年日本投降以来,23年过去了。再过5年,28年就会过去。 28年没有战争?实际上,二战结束後发生了各种各帚战争。按照列宁的说法,资本主戭O战争,没有战争,资本主撏N不能存在。今天世界上有两个超级大国。他们不仅拥有常规武器,而且拥有核武器。这是不容易处理的事情。他们自己也知道这一点。赫鲁晓夫的理论是,如果使用原子弹,地球就会被毁灭,战争中不会有胜利者出现。美国也持有同帚观点。这两个超级大国是核大国。从某种意樽W说,我们的国家仍然是一个非核大国。用这个小小的核武器,我们不能算作核国家。[8]如果我们要打一场战争,我们必须使用常规武器。既然我们既不是美国总参谋长也不是苏联参谋长,我们不知道他们究竟做什厶,我们只能通过观察形势来做出判断。这两个国家的人口是相似的,如果他们打一场大战,他们会感到人手不足。现在,通过打击像越南战争这帚漱井战争,美国在人力方面已经有困难,特别是飞行员的短缺。

(毛泽东转向陈伯达[9]和康生)你跟他们讨论过什厶?

康生:我们已经讨论过我们党的十二届三中全会,我们正在筹划召开九届五中全会。我们还讨论了世界上真正的马克思主戭F党和集团,如苏联的斯大林集团和捷克斯洛伐克和波兰的一些新的马克思列宁主撊团。我们也讨论过你与意大利同志讨论过的议会选举问题。希埵P志对你对“大树特树”问题和“绝对权威”问题的看法特别感兴趣。他说这个讨论对他来说特别有D发性。

毛泽东:所谓的“大树特树”问题,主要是由我们的前代总参谋长杨成武提出的[10]其实他是要“大树特树”建立自己的权威,同时又追求多元中心主憛C就“绝对权威”而言,我不相信地球上存在这帚漕⑺﹛C马克思,恩格斯和列宁很少提到绝对权威,他们只谈论绝对真理。所谓的“绝对真理”只不过是各种相对真理的总和。这就是他们所讨论的内容,这正是许多哲学家所提到的。我说我从来没有见过“房子”,我从来没有吃过“水果”。我所看到的是人民大会堂,或者像你住的北京饭店那帚东西。除了这些东西,所谓的“房子”是你看不到的东西。我没有吃过“水果”。可能你有,但我没有。我没有桃子,梨子或苹果。这些都是非常特殊的名字。所有的苹果 - 大苹果和小苹果;在该省生产的苹果和该省生产的苹果;这个国家的苹果和来自该国的苹果 - 都归根结底是苹果。 “果实”是一个抽象概念,尽管不可能将抽象概念放在一边。因此,要遵循人们的习俗,我们可能仍然会说我们吃水果,或者说我们住在房子里。列宁指出,具体是将军的一方面或一部分。例如,山同志,你有一个非常普通的名字,并且到处都有姓氏的人。名字从哪里来?

希堙G根英格兰的传统,人们经常以他们居住的地方为名。希这个名字可能来自住在山上的人。又例如,磨坊有一个名字,可能来自与磨坊有关的工人。

毛泽东:你在你的国家有水族的人吗?

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:在中国,有隋(水)和金(金)。但在中国没有这帚漫m尹,但银是在国外的姓氏。在中国也有田姓(田)。

周恩来:连姓锡(锡)。

希堙G这与英格兰的传统非常相似。

毛泽东:斯通是贵国的姓氏吗?

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:中国和其他国家的情G很相似,很多姓氏都来自古代的封建国家。例如,我的姓氏是毛泽东,这个毛泽东在二千年前是在一个王朝统治下从一个小国发展而来的。是周恩来周恩来的周恩来同志。 (指姚文元)你的姓姚,是姚明的後裔。你是皇帝的後裔。实际上,姚明是否曾经存在过这个问题。

姚:这是传奇。

毛泽东:没有证证明尧帝,舜帝或大禹的存在。[11]可能当时有些部落有这些名字。

周恩来:他们从传奇人物变成了历史人物。

毛泽东:说只有大约3000名奴 的周氏击败了由殷周王[12]统治的国家,它拥有数十丌奴 。你看,我们是如何将讨论从战争问题转移到历史问题上的?

希堙G 论如何,我们都很高兴讨论它们。

毛泽东:你去过美国吗?

希堙G不,他们不欢迎像我这帚漱H,拒绝给我发签证。

毛泽东:欧洲呢?

希堙G没关系。

毛泽东:你需要签证才能从澳大利亚旅行到英国吗?

希堙G过去我们不需要签证。但现在主要是因为劳动法的规定而需要许可。这是一个劳工问题。例如,如果我想前往英国,我必须先到英国领事办公室去盖护照,证明我在英国要做什厶。

毛泽东:你告诉他们什厶?

希堙G在我最後两次访问期间,我有合理的理由。只要你告诉他们你是一名游客,并且你只会在有限的时间内待在那里,他们会批准你的申请。但是,这一变化表明英国一直在衰落。过去[从澳大利亚]到英国的旅行完全[依赖]自由意志。但现在程序已经改变。

毛泽东:我被告知这是为了解言业问题。英国一直派人到加拿大,有时也派人到美国。他们是否也派人到你的国家?

希堙G是的,有很多英国居民移民澳大利亚。

毛泽东:我不是说移民。我的意思是他们现在是否仍然派人到你的国家。

希堙G是的,现在还有人从英国搬到澳大利亚。但他们不是由政府派来的;他们自己搬到那里。

毛泽东:英国政府允许他们这庚窗H

希堙G不只是允许,而且还会鼓励。

毛泽东:这是为了轻本国就业压力。我被告知,贵国的人口在三十年内翻了一番,从六百万增加到一千二百万。

希堙G这是正确的。

毛泽东:从贵国飞往香港需要多长时间?

希堙G空中十多个小时。澳大利亚与香港之间的距离约为4500英里,相当于7000多公里。

毛泽东:在我看来,这个世界需要统一。有英里,公里和海里,还有很多不同的语言。要立即统一语言是很困难的,但如果世界统一起来,这些问题就可以得到解芋C过去,包括蒙古人,西方罗马人,亚历山大大帝,拿破仑和大英帝国在内的许多人想要统一世界。今天,美国和苏联都想统一世界。希特勒想统一世界。日本人想统一太平洋地区。但他们都失败了。在我看来,统一世界的可能性并没有消失。资本主憡謍蚼◢洏@界各国人民接受资本主Yi,这是统一世界的一种方式。另一种方式是世界人民将起来革命,然後团结起来。在我看来,世界可以统一。现在美国正在操纵联合国。恐怕帝国主憍峟蚰缟D慦统一世界并不容易。他们是否能{发动核战争,使他们几乎消灭世界人口,然後让美国和苏联统一世界?但这两个国家的人口太少,而且如果分散,他们的人力资源不足。而且,他们也害怕打核战。他们不害怕消灭其他国家的人口,但他们害怕自己的人口被淘汰。位于第二中间地带的国家,如英国,法国,德国,日本和意大利是次要权力。我怕他们不愿打一场战争。毕竟,恐怕我们还是要走马克思主慦犒D路,先让各国人民革命,然後自由团结起来。为什厶现在有这些差异是必要的?起初,美国人喜欢谈论世界主憛A但後来他们不再谈论这个问题。事实上,他们赞成统一世界。我已阅读你的文章。美国资本侵入你的国家引起了美国人的不满。越南战争和朝鲜战争是有区别的,那就是欧洲国家不在那里。英国,法国,土耳其和比利时都参加了朝鲜战争。让我提出一个问题,我会试茼^答它,并且你会尝试回答它。我会考虑这一点,我也请你考虑一下。这是一个具有全球意慦问题。这是关于战争的问题。关于战争与和平的问题。我们会看到一场战争,还是会看到一场革命?战争会引起革命,还是革命会阻止战争?总而言之,现在既没有战争,也没有革命。这种情G不会持续太久。关于完成会议的时间?

希堙G非常感谢。

毛泽东:有人告诉你明天要走了吗?

希堙G是的。

毛泽东:有一个安全的旅程。

希堙G非常感谢。我感谢主席和中国共产党邀请我们再次访华。这次访问对我来说很有价值,对我的同志们也是一个很大的D发。

毛泽东:它有价值吗?

希堙G是的,非常有价值。我完全同意主席对“绝对权威”问题的意见,我也完全同意主席关于“大树特树”问题的意见。但我也觉得我们有一个非常重要的任务,就是要全力推 和应用毛主席的想法。在这方面,我们没有预料到我们现在看到的重大事态发展。

毛泽东:我们正计划汇编马克思,恩格斯,列宁和斯大林的一系列引文。 (指向陈伯达等人)你正在编辑这个集合。不要让它太长。如果时间太长,人们将没有时间阅读它。但是不要太短,如果太短,他们的基本想法就 法反映出来。例如,资本主撏N是战争。看来这条规则现在不再适用了。

周恩来:当然它仍然有效。二战结束後,小战争从未结束。

希Er: 是的。

毛泽东:还有一些大的战争,比如中国的解放战争。[13]

希堙G我曾就此问题与澳大利亚的修正主慦进行辩论。

毛泽东:第一次世界大战後,有中国的北伐战争和十年的土地革命战争。[14] 还有西班牙内战。 (指向周恩来)这五个人去了哪里?

周恩来:他们是乘火车送到阿堣峓Q亚的。

毛泽东:我们在摩洛哥有五名学生学习这门语言。 摩洛哥政府不喜欢这五名学生并将他们驱逐出境。 他们被驱逐到阿堣峓Q亚。 他们留在我们的大使馆吗?

周恩来:是的,他们留在我们的大使馆。 它(摩洛哥政府)恕学生。

毛泽东:现在有些政府非常害怕学生。 这五名学生如何恕腄H

姚文元:不知何故,他们也害怕红卫兵。

毛泽东:我们今天就谈到这吧。

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May 2011. Retrieved 29 June 2011. Ted Hill had 

broken with the Moscow-oriented Communist 

Party of Australia, to found the rival, Peking-

backed Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-

Leninist). Among ordinary Australian voters, 

the attraction of Hill's party was negligible.


在澳大利亚所有普通选民中间,泰德·希Er主席同志为首席

代表的澳大利亚共产党的吸引力、影响力,完全可以忽略不计。

 

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