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法军没有参与焚烧皇帝园子3500英军干的 2019-04-17 23:41:24

    

   1860·10·18  ——  A  Date  


   Which  Will  Live  in  Infamy  


   of  His  Majesty  Hien-Fung

 

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Upon the 18th October, the 1st division, under the

command of Major-General Sir John Michel, marched

from our camp near Pekin to Yuen-ming-yuen, and

set fire to all the royal palaces which lay scattered

about in that neighbourhood. Throughout the whole

of that day and the day following a dense cloud of

black and heavy smoke hung over those scenes of

former magnificence.

升级版谷歌同学一秒钟完工译文:

1860年10月18日,英军约翰·米歇尔少将下辖第一师

从我们所在北京附近的营地开拔到圆明园,

放火烧毁所有散落的皇家宫殿。 整个过程

那天和密集的云层之后的那一天

黑色和浓烟笼罩着那些场景

昔日的辉煌。


——  Excerpts from  Narrative of the War with China in 1860    Page  278


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Image result for british field marshal Garnet Joseph Wolseley

作者:1860年中英第二次战争中 英军陆军司令詹姆斯·霍普·格兰特 James Hope  

          Grant 参谋部 后勤主管 deputy-assistant quartermaster-general 

          时年27岁中校 Lieutenant colonel 第一代子爵 嘉内德·约瑟夫·沃尔斯利 

          Garnet Joseph Wolseley, 1st Viscount Wolseley;1894年5月26日,

          晋升为英军陆军元帅 Field Marshal


https://ia800208.us.archive.org/10/items/narrativeofwarwi00wols/

narrativeofwarwi00wols.pdf


 Early in the morning of October 18, a division of British 

   troops marched off to Yuanmingyuan.  The accounts left by 

the people present on that fateful day all mention the immense 

beauty of the gardens even in its post-looted state. “We marched

through scenery of the most enchanting beauty,” wrote reverend 

M’Ghee, and as he explained, the beauty demanded some kind of 

tribute, “a tribute so due that you must perforce pay it.” 99 

Other eyewitnesses must have felt the same. Beauty, they too

argued, cannot simply perish without us, its beholders, taking 

some kind of action; 

98 . According to Allgood there were 3,500 men 

involved. Allgood, China War 1860 , 58. 


—— Excerpts from   Liberal Barbarism: The European 

Destruction of the Palace of the Emperor of China

By  Ringmar, Erik

https://portal.research.lu.se/ws/files/5852516/4612601.pdf


 In the end only 18 out of the 39 men came back alive. 

 This treatment, the Allies agreed, constituted a crime against 

the laws of war, against humanity, and an insult both against 

Britain and France. The Chinese had

to be punished, the question was only how. The commanders 

considered a number of alternatives. 87 They could, for example, 

have asked the Chinese to pay an

indemnity or demanded that they turn over the men responsible 

for the treatment

of the prisoners. However, Elgin did not think it right to accept 

money in return

for human lives and besides, he argued, the sums would have 

been difficult to collect.  And if they had asked the Chinese to 

hand over the perpetrators, the imperial

authorities would surely have given them some miserable 

underling who the Allies

would have found it difficult to punish, and if they had asked 

for Sengge Rinchen

himself, the Chinese would have refused and the Allies would 

have had no means of forcing them. 

Having ruled out the alternatives, Lord Elgin argued, only 

the destruction of

Yuanmingyuan remained.  It was an “act of retribution and 

punishment sufficiently severe to produce the required effect”

—it would avenge the lives that had

been lost, but it would also terrorize the Chinese, forcing them

 to agree to European

terms and reminding them for ever more just who the 

Europeans were and of what

they were capable. The effect, moreover, would be 

instantaneous, making it possible

for the Allies to turn southward before the weather had 

turned too cold. Although

other targets could be imagined, Yuanmingyuan was 

particularly well suited to

achieve these effects. This was first of all the case since 

the compound was where

the Europeans believed the 39 prisoners had been held 

captive. Through a complete

incineration, the site of their humiliation would be obliterated. 

Destroying the palace was also a way to strike at the Chinese 

emperor personally rather than at the

Chinese people with whom, Elgin insisted, Britain had no 

quarrel. Yuanmingyuan

“was the Emperor’s favourite residence, and its destruction 

would not fail to be a

blow to his pride as well as to his feelings.”  The action 

would no doubt “produce

a greater effect in China and on the Emperor, than persons 

who look on from a distance may suppose.” 


法军两位指挥官反对额尔金勋爵烧毁圆明园以报复残害21名联军致死的提议


The French, however, were not convinced by these arguments. Baron Gros

objected in the strongest possible terms against the action Elgin 

contemplated and

he categorically refused to lend French support to a complete 

incineration.  “It takes

a courageous resignation not to let oneself be swept away by the desire 

for vengeance

which has taken hold of all hearts.” 94 Yet Gros left it open to General 

Montauban, as

the military commander, to make the final decision. Happily, Montauban 

reached

the same conclusion as Gros, and this despite strong pressure exerted 

on him by the

British commanders. I too have considered the question very carefully, 

Montauban

insisted in his reply to Elgin, and I have come to the conclusion that 

“this vengeance

is worthy of a people more barbarian than the Chinese themselves.” 

 Moreover,

if we burn the palaces and gardens Prince Gong might take flight 

and thereby we

might end up overthrowing the entire Qing dynasty. Such an 

outcome would not

be in the best interests of the French government. We want a 

China open to trade

and to Christian missionaries, but we do not want a China in chaos. 

 Yet none of

these arguments had a effect on Lord Elgin. The British made fun 

of the 11th hour

piety of the French, pointing out that they only would complete the 

work that the French themselves had begun.


没有参与焚烧皇帝园子的法军,

却是1860年10月7日清晨先于英军第一批进入圆明园抢掠洗劫的:

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  上述这一区别,法国作家维克多·雨果都注意到了,

  难怪他在1861年11月25日信中说:


 This wonder, Hugo explained, has now disappeared. 

  One day two bandits entered,

  “ one plundered, the other burned. ” 


  有一天,两个来自欧洲的强盗闯进了圆明园。

  一个强盗洗劫财物,另一个强盗在放火。


Incidentally,  上述第一本书作者在第 217 页里,提到英军1860年

10月5日从东北方向进军北京的一路上,还有当地国人带路党随时报告

英军僧格林沁骑兵官军的动向:


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疯狂! 男子帯两罐汽油 两个丁烷打火机试图进入纽约

第五大道圣 Patrick 教堂,被警方拘捕。

这个教堂就像巴黎圣母院一样非常古老!

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作者:Pascal 留言时间:2019-04-18 12:12:45

SimonN、羊市大街、gmuoruo 诸位博主不同角度点评很到位,很有道理。1860年10月18日,3500名英军第一师焚烧圆明园是一件事,1856年12月14日深夜23时,当地革命群众火烧广州十三行,是另一件事,群山博主提起也挺好,不妨展开述评。

http://www.gzsdfz.org.cn/sqzt/gmfy/201411/t20141103_9826.html

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作者:gmuoruo 留言时间:2019-04-18 06:56:10

Moreover, if we burn the palaces and gardens Prince Gong might take flight and thereby we might end up overthrowing the entire Qing dynasty. Such an outcome would not

be in the best interests of the French government.

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呵,呵,法国人当年的思维跟今天西方很多人的思维的还是很像:万一皇帝/土共垮了就糟了。

这些人是皇帝土共的好朋友。

这样看来,本人支持英国额尔金。

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作者:羊市大街 回复 群山 留言时间:2019-04-18 06:31:14

圆明园是四代皇帝200 年的珍藏,广州还有比圆明园财产大十倍的地方?那不是要造反吗?不过也对,革命党就是在广东起家的。圆明园是皇家花园,可共和了也就成国家财产了,就像颐和园一样,否则三山五园就都是北京的现在公园了,那不好吗?

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作者:群山 留言时间:2019-04-18 06:09:05

为啥就没人报道“火烧十三行”:

那可是比火烧园明圆大四、五倍,财产损失大十倍的大火。

虽然那儿当时是租界区,但终究是在中国土地上、迟早要归还中国。就像香港一样。否则中国就有二个香港了,那不好吗?

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作者:SimonN 回复 Pascal 留言时间:2019-04-18 01:32:10

你的文章很好!我都不知道火烧圆明园的背景情况。

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作者:Pascal 回复 SimonN 留言时间:2019-04-18 00:59:38

Categorically correct.

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作者:SimonN 留言时间:2019-04-18 00:26:18

其实无论是谁烧了圆明园都无所谓,因为那不过清皇室的私家花园,和中国人民没有毛关系。同理,如果我们还是在中世纪,巴黎圣母院是教会的私有财产,那烧了也和法国人民没有关系。

但是,今天的巴黎圣母院是联合国认定的世界文化遗产,因此它属于全人类。如果故意烧了它那就是对全人类的挑战。

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