欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行
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最近大家眼光集中在清华北大的铊中毒事件上。这是很令人 悲伤的事件。特别是朱令,生不如死,冤不得报,尤其令人 同情。而事情的经过又如此令人发指,但是又掩盖和伪装得 如此巧妙,使人纵然想挺身相助,也是拔剑四顾两茫然。
一个人的冤痛,感到心寒与痛苦的不仅仅是被害人和他们的 亲人,更是全体有良心的人的伤痛。这是我们集体的耻辱, 是我们心口永远也磨灭不掉的刀痕。
大概是十几年前,我读到中国一位著名美学家为一篇小说写 的评论。小说记得象是丛维熙先生写的,大致是说文革劳改 队里面有一个男的落魄人,爱上了一个女的落魄人。可是当 男落魄人得知女落魄人竟然是一个‘叛国罪犯’时,实在无 法继续爱情,因为他无法平衡自己的‘爱国心’。美学家采 用了这样一个标题‘愿将忧国泪,化为丽人行’,表达对女 主人公的宽容,同情和祝福。当时我读了,深觉其深刻和伟 大。这位美学家曾经是我就读的大学的教授。没有想到,这 位美学家的女儿,因为被剥夺上大学的机会,又没有亲人照 料(美学家携妻流亡海外),竟然精神分裂而惨死。这个小 姑娘,从小跟父亲在西北流放,受过很多苦。最后惨死了结。 再伟大的美学家,恐怕也无法用审美的眼光去看待这样的事 情。
于是,我也借用这个的句子,来表达我对不幸的朱令的同情 和祝愿。天公是什么?上帝我是不信的。天公大概就是冥冥 宇宙本身吧,或许是这里许多的热情人们。天公的眼泪,大 概也是功效超越观音菩萨的甘露水的一种起死回生的良药吧。 丽人,当然是指朱令,她据说是多才多艺。当然不是指那些 没有良心的同学之类。丽人,也泛指所有遭受冤屈的不幸女 性。在我们这样一个社会里面,这样的不幸太多了。当然, 不幸的事情是不分男女的。化为丽人行是祝愿朱令能够重新 站起来,再次品尝人间酸甜苦辣。虽然这个可能性是非常小 的。
谨以此,祝愿朱令,另: 蔑视那些没有良心的朱令的同宿舍同学; 蔑视那些所谓的面子权威; 蔑视事件背后的权势黑手; 诅咒凶手。
由朱令事件想到北大投毒案
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朱令事件是非常令人痛心和气愤的。在国内,它被错误地当作互联网英雄事迹被 国内媒体过度炒作,而忽视了对协和医院种种做法的深入讨论,更对于事件的凶 手忌讳过深。学过医的都知道,朱令的中毒剂量大大超过了致死量,一般的误服 不可能达到这个剂量,肯定是被人投毒了,这一点完全可以够上故意杀人罪。从 朱令一开始矢口否认毒物接触史可以看出,凶手就是她身边的人。从这一事件的 结果看,最起码是“坏人不臭”。我们不否认中国公安的侦察能力差,我们也不 否认这个案件由于时间跨度大,所以取证工作异常困难。但是最让我们担心的是 当时公安的办案决心,这直接关系到我们的社会正义性。正是因为社会正义和法 律尊严被悄悄地收藏了起来。没过多久,就爆发了第二次投铊案,这次是在北大, 还是和化学有关的系,是化学系!由于凶手主动自首,两个受害者治疗还算是及 时,全部完全康复。但是这次的凶手别看是主动自首的,被判了11年,外加3年 的政治权利。关于这段往事,我们现在只能在Google上查到一个网址有详细记载, 而且必须用网页快照的方式观看了。
清华北大两个投毒案最大的不同是:清华案中犯罪嫌疑人有相当的背景,而北大 案中受害者之一(罪犯同宿舍的那位“试验品”)有一定的背景。
值得注意的是北大案中的罪犯是背着受害者去的医院并在医院自首的,但是由于 没有背景,而且受害者之一是东北某大学校长的公子,仍然重判。现在两位受害 者都在美国,也可能就在你们身边,而害人者估计还在监狱里。作为对照,清华 的嫌疑人在美国,而受害者却在病床上。
这两个案件的不同的结局,真是让人感慨万千。还是让大家来评论吧。 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:08 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) xinli评论:
Hi, I helped to coordinate the diagnosis and coordinated the treatment processes for Zhu Ling in 1996 when I was a graduate student at UCLA. I want to share what I know to answer some of the questions posted at this site.
1. ZHU Ling\'s nickname is Lingling.
2. About the suspect girl, some of us pervaded the US Embassy in Beijing to stop her from coming to USA. Some of us even tried to use US media to make some influence. However, there is no hard evidence, on the other hand, we were afraid that the suspect family backed by some Beijing officials might accuse the US media of manipulating politically which would do no good for Zhu Ling\'s care. We know her name and we know where the case was stopped. It was such a hard decision made together with her family not to pursue that way. But that does not mean we give up on it. If Zhu Ling\'s family changed the decision, we will certainly do something. No doubt about that.
3. Here is what the PUMC(协和) did wrong: Dr. Li at PUMC did GUESS it could be thallium-poisoning. I use GUESS here instead of \"diagnosed\", because a diagnosis must be backed by a test. Her symptom reminded him a poisoning-poisoning case in Tsinghua Univ. 30 years ago. Not being a poisoning specialist, Dr.Li sent the case to Beijing Inst. of Labor Hygiene & Occupational Diseases. The vice chair of the institute, based on ZHU Ling\'s word that she had never contacted Thallium before, concluded that it was not a Thallium poisoning. No test was asked to support that GUESS. Prof. Chen who conducted the correct test later was working in the institute but he was not contacted for help. Prof.Chen was contacted by ZHU Ling family later. You see here, PUMC did nothing wrong at first place and Dr.Li did right thing to refer the case to a specialist. It was the vice chair in the Occupational Institute that made a conclusion without a test. However, Dr.Li and his colleagues who took care of the case together, TRUSTED the vice chair\'s result without demanding a solid test result. As the primary care provider for the patient, PUMC was responsible to make scientific judgement based upon specialist consultation to make proper case management. PUMC failed to do that. Second thing that PUMC did wrong was to refuse to consider the Internet suggestions. ZHU Ling\'s family brought the Internet diagnosis of Thallium collected by BEI Zhicheng (ZHU Ling\'s friend) and others, but PUMC refused to consider it. When I called the ICU about treatment, they refuse to talk to me initially. Dr.Aldids had to use his diplomatic efforts to deliver some message to PUMC. His warm efforts often met the cold door. During those days, many of the people involved were trying every effort simply to convince PUMC. It might be true that PUMC later bright ZHU Ling better care than other hospitals could. But PUMC\'s initial arrogance and ignorance significantly delayed the diagnosis and treatment. The longer the delay, the more the poison damaged ZHU Ling neurologically. 4. As a side talk, medicine in China is often based upon experience but here in US it is also science. This is because doctors in US usually have bachelor degree in science and also because the strict legal system.
Xin Li
For details, check the web site at UCLA: http://www.radsci.ucla.edu/telemed/zhuling/ Since I came to Silicon Valley, I have not updated the site. 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:10 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) yuan评论:
I was involved in the internet diagnosis
I was involved from very early on and called many doctors in the states many times. I was working at a hospital at that time. Actually, it is so easy to diagnose, doctors predict it to be Ta poisoning and it has been found in murder case before. One forensic doctor predicted that there must be someone behind the it. Unforunately, Doctors at PUMC did not take action quick enough and do not even believe that it was the case. It was later proved to be true but no one was arrested for it. Her sister was a student of Beijing University. After I went to Beida in later 80s, her story was told to us. But it was told that she fell off accidentally while on field trip. Only\' after her sister\'s case, people got suspecious about her mysterious death, because no witness seemed to know if no foul play was involved. I got very suspecious over her family\'s history. Rumor had it that her family had vicious enemy, maybe from the 70s and would not let her family go. But I do not know if it is true. I communicated with her mom several times on the internet. A reporter from Italy called my lab and talked to me for a while and published something there, but I did not see the article. Then another chinese student from UCLA got involved with his boss because they were doing remote diagnosis project. He was on TV shows in the LA area later. I was too busy and eventually let go.
It was such a tradgy. I felt horrible and got scared about the whole thing. Someone lurked out there! 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:11 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) truist评论:
这是一个国家对一个人的谋杀。
铊的性质有点像银,是少数几种剧毒的无机物。至少可以状告清华大学 北京大学等单位对剧毒物品管理不善,负责赔偿医疗及其他费用,并对 家属进行民事赔偿。投毒的罪犯,当然应该绳之以法,从结果来看,是 属于故意杀人罪,应当判处相应的徒刑。清华北大某些有关人员也应该 引咎辞职。可是这些事情,都不了了之,可恨。大家记下这笔帐吧。
以后大家如果感觉不对劲,应该立即想到无机物中毒。通常生物制品的 毒性不会延续很长,只有无机物和一些有机物能够使人中毒并延续很长 时间。对于无机金属(铅,汞,铊,铜,银等),通常采用络合剂EDTA 排毒。我有一个老师,曾经体内放射性重金属中毒,使用过这样的疗法, 据云是感觉很累。他目前健康。
有机物慢性中毒好像以苯环类居多。中国制鞋业里面有许多可怜的打工 妹,她们长期接触苯或甲苯配制的胶,通过皮肤和呼吸中毒(慢性)。 后果之一是再障(血液再生障碍),无可医治。大家到Wal-Mart或者 K-Mart(已经倒闭)买便宜的中国鞋时,千万不要忘记这些受屈辱的灵 魂。 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:11 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 说明一下,以上内容都来自新语丝。 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:13 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 再说明,情诉莱茵和Cristal_ice, 你们不要争吵了好不好。真替你们捏把汗。 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 05:17 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 不是争吵,而是正当讨论.如若志同道不和,亦可!欢迎各种理性探讨. 作者: 情诉莱茵 2006-5-24 05:21 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) Xin Li也算是知情人之一,新雨丝的评论较早。请热心者帮忙把Xin Li和Yuan的评论译为中文。 作者: 129.175.52.* 2006-5-24 17:29 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴)Xin Li评论 你们好。我在1996年帮助了协调诊断,也帮助了协调朱令的治疗过程,当时,我是UCLA大学的研究生。我想告诉大家我所了解的情况,以回答这里所贴出来的一些问题。
1。朱令的昵称是令令。 2。 我们有人将这个嫌疑人的情况详细告知了北京的美国大使馆,以阻止她前往美国。我们中的一些人甚至设法利用美国媒体来施加影响。但是,苦于没有确凿的证据,再则我们也担心得到一些北京官员支持的嫌疑人家人会指控美国媒体通过政治进行操纵,这可能会对朱令案不利。我们知道她的名字,我们也知道这个案件在什么地方卡住了。没有利用通过美国媒体施加影响这种做法,这是我们与朱令家人一道作出的一个多么艰难的决定。但是,这并不意味着我们放弃了。如果朱令家人改变决定,我们当然会采取一些行动。这个不用怀疑。
3。以下是协和做得不对的地方: 协和的李医生确实猜测可能是铊中毒。我这里用“猜测”,而不是用“诊断”,是因为诊断必须有检测支持。朱令的症状让他回想起30年前清华的一起铊中毒病例。由于不是毒理专家,李医生就朱令这个病例咨询了北京劳动卫生与职业病研究所。根据朱令说自己没有接触过铊的陈述,该所副所长作出结论说不是铊中毒。可是没有人要求检测来支持这个“猜测”。后来进行了正确的检测的陈教授当时正在这个研究所工作,可是却没有人与他联系,寻求帮助。是朱令家人后来才跟陈教授联系的。 大家可以看到,协和起初并没有做错什么,李医生也做了该做的事情,就朱令这个病例向专家咨询了意见。正是那位劳动卫生与职业病研究所的副所长在没有作成检测的情况就下了结论。但是,李医生和他负责这个病人的同事在没有要求可靠的检测结果的情况就“相信”了着位副所长的结论。作为朱令的首诊医院,协和有责任根据专家意见作出科学判断,给病人进行恰当的处理。协和并没有做到这一点。
协和有错的第二点,是它拒绝考虑互联网上的建议。朱令的家人将贝志诚(朱令同学)和其他人收集到的互联网上的建议送到协和,但协和拒绝考虑这些建议。当我打电话给ICU,询问治疗情况的时候,他们一开始拒绝与我交谈。Aldids医生不得不利用自己外交方面的关系,来向协和传达一些信息。他热心的帮助却常常遭遇比鼻子冷灰。在那些日子里,许多相关的人都在想方设法说服协和。协和后来给予朱令的照顾可能好于其他医院,这可能是真的。但协会最初的傲慢与无知却严重耽误了诊断与治疗。耽误时间越长,毒物对朱令神经的损伤越大。
4。说一句题外话,中国的医学常常以经验为基础,但在美国医学也是科学。因为美国的医生通常都具有学士学位,也因为美国拥有严格的法律制度
Xin Li
详细情况请访问UCLA网址http://www.radsci.ucla.edu/telemed/zhuling/ 由于我去了硅谷,因此尚未更新此页面。 作者: 211.82.100.* 2006-5-24 22:25 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 再补充::Xin Li 评论里说的第4点题外话,是说美国医生通常都有理科学士学位,特此修改 作者: 211.82.100.* 2006-5-24 22:32 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 顶顶顶 作者: noqq 2007-3-9 11:58 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 顶 作者: 我欲随心 2007-3-9 14:44 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 顶 作者: 看你不爽就下毒 2007-3-9 17:38 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) DING 作者: 你是谁又为了谁 2007-3-10 10:14 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 很喜欢这篇《欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行》 作者: 沙罗双树的怀念 2007-3-31 00:07 回复此发言 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16 回复:欲夺天公泪,化为丽人行(转贴) 以下引自作者“一个人的冤痛,感到心寒与痛苦的不仅仅是被害人和他们的 亲人,更是全体有良心的人的伤痛。这是我们集体的耻辱, 是我们心口永远也磨灭不掉的刀痕。”
这句话深有感触。 作者: 沙罗双树的怀念 2007-3-31 00:08 回复此发言
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