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哲學的實用:計算機比人智力(理解力)高嗎? 2012-08-13 15:21:03
哲學的實用:計算機比人智力(理解力)高嗎?

我的老嘎網友經常和我爭論。他的著名的觀點之一是,哲學不可用來指導具體的科
學工作,如“福特汽車設計”。

我反駁說,這是因為毛澤東和共產黨將哲學在中國的名聲搞壞了。他們高唱“哲學
要改造世界”的馬克思主義口號,然後在其名下大搞階級鬥爭,使人憎恨。但我們
不應該潑髒水一同倒出洗澡的嬰兒。

我還要用下面的例子說明,當代哲學的指導作用,不但不是可有可無,而是必不可
少。這個例子涉及人工智能。搞人工智能研究的多數工作者,在過去三十年來,按
照美國加州伯克利大學哲學教授,John Searl,的看法,都認為人工智能的成就,
說明機器的可以有理解力,而且還可能比人高。約翰教授不同意這種說法。於是,
他設計了一個“中文房間”的例子來證明他的觀點。

約翰不懂一個字中文。他坐在這間屋裡。這間屋裡只有一些箱子,裡面裝的都是中
文字卡,和如何挑選這些字卡的規則冊子(英文寫成)。外面有遞進來的中文卡片寫
着問題。約翰的任務是,根據英文指示所寫的規則,挑選某一個中文字卡遞出,表
示他對問題回答所表示的中文理解。這些規則類似這樣,如果是個象四方塊的中文
字,如“口?”,就用“帶口”的中文字卡,如“吃”等。當然實際設計的規則要
更具體,而且約翰掌握的很好,能很快地給出答案。現在的問題是,約翰幾乎總是
答對,既使是很複雜的中文問題。那麼約翰理解中文嗎?

如果你不看約翰的回答,自己想一想,你會得出什麼結論?你會象大所數人工智能
工作者一樣回答:是。如果我猜的不對。請告訴你的理解,並解釋為什麼?

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JOHN SEARLE'S CHINESE ROOM ARGUMENT

John Searle begins his (1990) ``Consciousness, Explanatory Inversion and Cognitive Science'' with

``Ten years ago in this journal I published an article (Searle, 1980a and 1980b) criticising what I call Strong AI, the view that for a system to have mental states it is sufficient for the system to implement the right sort of program with right inputs and outputs. Strong AI is rather easy to refute and the basic argument can be summarized in one sentence: {it a system, me for example, could implement a program for understanding Chinese, for example, without understanding any Chinese at all.} This idea, when developed, became known as the Chinese Room Argument.''

The Chinese Room Argument can be refuted in one sentence:

Searle confuses the mental qualities of one computational process, himself for example, with those of another process that the first process might be interpreting, a process that understands Chinese, for example.

Here's the argument in more detail.

A man is in a room with a book of rules. Chinese sentences are passed under the door to him. The man looks up in his book of rules how to process the sentences. Eventually the rules tell him to copy some Chinese characters onto paper and pass the resulting Chinese sentences as a reply to the message he has received. The dialog continues.

To follow these rules the man need not understand Chinese.

Searle concludes from this that a computer program carrying out the rules doesn't understand Chinese either, and therefore no computer program can understand anything. He goes on to argue about biology being necessary for understanding.

Here's the refutation in still more detail.

Assume the process is a good participant in an intelligent Chinese conversation, i.e. behaves as though it understands Chinese. What is required for that we'll discuss shortly. The so-called Berkeley answer is that the system, consisting of the man and the book of rules, understands Chinese.

Our answer is an elaboration of the Berkeley answer. A computer interprets computer programs, i.e. carries them out instruction by instruction. Indeed a program can interpret other programs, e.g. a Lisp or Java interpreter interprets, i.e. carries out, Lisp or Java programs. We speak of the interpreter as carrying out the Lisp program, although this could be elaborated to saying that the computer carries out the Lisp interpreter which is carrying out the Lisp program step by step.

Indeed a time-shared operating system can carry out many different programs at once, some may be in machine language, others may be in Lisp, C, Fortran or Java. Suppose one of these programs is a Lisp program carrying out an intelligent Chinese conversation with someone at a terminal. Suppose another program is carrying out an intelligent French conversation or a different Chinese conversation with someone at a different terminal. Assume that these conversations are normally considered to require an understanding of Chinese or French. What understands Chinese?

We don't want to say that the computer understands Chinese and French but rather that the respective programs understand Chinese and French respectively. Indeed if we have two Chinese conversation programs, one may understand Chinese well and the other hardly at all.

Returning to the man in the room. He can be carrying out a conversation in English or playing chess while he is interpreting the book of rules for a Chinese conversation. Indeed he may have memorized the book of rules and be carrying them out in his head. As with the computer programs, it's the process that understands Chinese well or badly.

Let's consider some practicalities that may help us understand the question better. There are two extreme levels on which the man may be carrying out the Chinese conversation. One level is that of Joseph Weizenbaum's 1965 program ELIZA. It makes sentences by re-arranging and transforming the words in the input sentence. Thus one version, called DOCTOR, and included in the Xemacs editor, replies to "My mother hates me?" with "Why do you say mother hates you". According to Weizenbaum (personal communication), ELIZA requires so little computation that it can be carried out by hand. Thus an ELIZA level Chinese room is entirely feasible.

Does an ELIZA level Chinese room understand Chinese? It depends on what you mean by "understand", but I would prefer to say that a Chinese ELIZA does not understand Chinese. We'll see why?

Now consider a Chinese room that passes the Turing test, i.e. the Chinese interlocutor cannot be sure whether he is conversing with an intelligent fellow Chinese speaker. This is not feasible with a man and a book of rules. In fact it is beyond the present state of the art in artificial intelligence. While the book of rules probably needn't be bigger than an ordinary encyclopedia, I doubt that a human could carry out the rules at better than $10^{-9}$ of the speed required for conversation.

What is required for a Chinese room that passes the Turing test?

  1. A knowledge base of facts about the world, e.g. about 3-dimensional objects and the fact that they fall when unsupported and end up on the floor or ground.
  2. A knowledge base of facts about Chinese life and the Chinese language.
  3. A representation of the conversational purpose of the program.
  4. A program that translates the sentences into some internal form and responds appropriately, given the motivations we have given the program.
  5. A program that translates the output sentences into Chinese, prints the result, and pushes it back under the door.

These requirements can, at least in principle, be implemented in a variety of ways, e.g. by a sequentially operating neural net or by a logic based reasoner. I think the latter approach can do more now and will approach the goal of a human level conversation sooner.

So what is it to understand Chinese?

Understanding Chinese involves being able to translate Chinese sentences into some internal representation and to reason with the internal representation and some knowledge base. Thus understanding "Tom is an airplane pilot." requires being able to correctly answer, "Does Tom know how rotating the control column left affects the ailerons?"

More about understanding is discussed in my Making Robots Conscious of their Mental States.

More Searle arguments

``Once we get out of that confusion, once we escape the clutches of two thousand years of dualism, we can see that consciousness is a biological phenomenon like any other and ultimately our understanding out it is most likely to come through biological investigation'' John Searle - New York Review of Books, letter pp 58-59, 1990 June 14.

My view is that consciousness is an abstract phenomenon, currently best realized in biology, but causal systems of the right structure can also realize it. See Making Robots Conscious of their Mental States.

The discussion of the Chinese Room has remained at an excessively high level on both sides. I propose to discuss what would actually be involved in a set of rules for conducting a conversation in Chinese, independently of whether these rules are to be carried out by a human or a machine.

First we must exclude various forms of cheating that aren't excluded by Searle's formulation of the problem.

1. We need to exclude a system like Weizenbaum's Eliza that merely looks for certain words in the input and makes certain syntactic transformations on each sentence to generate an output sentence. I wouldn't count such a program as understanding Chinese, and a fortiori Searle wouldn't either. The program must respond as though it knew the facts that would be familiar to an educated Chinese.

2. If the rules are to be executed by a human, they must not involve translating what was said into English, e.g. by giving the dictionary entries for the characters. If this were done, the English speaker could use his own understanding of the facts of the world to generate English responses that he then translates into Chinese. The database of facts must not be in English. We also suppose that the human is not allowed to do cryptanalysis to translate the inputs or the database into English.

This eliminates the forms of cheating that I can think of, but I don't guarantee that there aren't others.

How shall we construct our program? Artificial intelligence is a difficult scientific problem, and conceptual advances are required before programs with human level intelligence can be devised. Here are some considerations.

1. In discussing concrete questions of intelligence, it is useful to distinguish between a system's algorithms and its store of facts. While it is possible in principle to consider the facts as built into the algorithm, making the distinction is practically essential for studying both human and machine intelligence. We communicate mainly in facts even when we are trying to tell each other algorithms.

2. The central problem of AI is, in my opinion, achieving goals in the commonsense informatic situation See my What is artificial intelligence? for more on this.

Searle offers four axioms.

1. Brains cause minds.

"Cause" makes me a little nervous. If he only means that the human mind is an abstraction of part of the operation of the brain, I'll agree.

2. Syntax is not sufficient for semantics.

This purported axiom is slippery. Does he just mean that defining a language, whether a natural language, first order logical language, or a programming language, requires defining what the expressions of the language mean? If that's what he means, I agree.

3. Computer programs are entirely defined by their formal, or syntactic structures.

This is ok provided we remember that the programming language has a semantics, and the data structures used by the program must have semantics if the program is to be intelligent.

4. Minds have mental contents; specifically they have semantic contents.

That's ok with the above provisos.

Conclusion 1. No computer program by itself is sufficient to give a system a mind. Programs, in short, are not minds, and they are not by themselves sufficient for having minds.

The conclusion doesn't follow from the axioms, not even informally.

I should remark that Searle's Chinese room argument hasn't convinced very many of his fellow philosophers.


In his Scientific American article on the Chinese room Searle makes an interesting mistake, though not a new mistake. He writes that a transcript of the Chinese conversation could equally well represent the score of a chess game or stock market predictions. This will only be true if the Chinese conversation is very short; perhaps it would have to be less that 20 characters - or maybe it's 100 characters.

We have to haggle about what equally well means. We can get a 1-1 correspondence between Chinese dialogs and chess scores by enumerating Chinese dialogs and enumerating chess scores and putting thenth dialog correspond to the nth score. This isn't good enough. Both Chinese dialogs and chess scores have meaningful substructures, and the previously described correspondence does not make the substructures correspond. One structure is that of initial segments. The initial segment of a Chinese dialog is meaningful to a Chinese, and an initial segment of a chess score is meaningful to a chess player, and these meanings related to the meanings of the whole dialog and the whole score respectively.

All this relates to the notion of unicity distance in cryptography. A simple substitution cryptogram that has less than 21 letters is likely to have several interpretations. With more than 21 letters the interpretation is extremely likely to be unique. That's why people can solve cryptograms.

I think there is a mathematical theorem stating that meaningful strings in a structured language have unique interpretations if their lengths exceed some rather small bound. I don't know how to formulate such a theorem.

I don't know whether this mistake of Searle's is related to his Chinese room mistake. It seems to me that Quine's assertions about "the indeterminacy of radical translation" are based on too small examples. However, I may be misunderstanding what Quine was claiming.

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Practical applications of Philosophy in Artificial Intelligence 

Karim Oussayef 

Among the sciences, Artificial Intelligence holds a special attraction for 
philosophers.  A.I. involves using computers to solve problems that seem to require 
human reasoning.  This includes computer programs that can beat human opponents at 
games, automatically find and proof theorems and understand natural language.  Some 
people in the AI field contend that programs that solve these types of problems have the 
possibility of not only thinking like humans, but also understanding concepts and 
becoming conscious.  This viewpoint is called strong AI
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.  Many philosophers are 
concerned with this bold statement and there is no shortage of arguments against the 
metaphysical possibility of strong AI.  If these philosophical arguments against strong AI 
are true then there are limits to machine intelligence that cannot be surpassed by better 
algorithms, faster computers or more clever ideas.  
Hilary Putnam in his paper Much Ado About Not Very Much asks “AI may 
someday teach us something about how we think, but why are we so exercised about it 
now?  Perhaps it is the prospect that exercises us, but why do we think now is the time to 
think decide what might in principle be possible?”  The reason we are so exercised about 
A.I. is because knowing whether true intelligence is a possibility will change the goals of 
researchers in the field.  If strong AI is not possible then the best we can hope for is a 
program that acts humanly but doesn’t think humanly.  Even this goal is a very difficult 
and many programs seek to achieve it.  Cycorp
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 is a company whose software attempts to 
                                                
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 Coined by John Searl in Minds, Brains and Programs. 
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 Information from Cycorp’s website. mimic human intelligence by creating a huge database of common sense facts.  Their 
website gives some examples: “Cyc knows that trees are usually outdoors, that once 
people die they stop buying things, and that glasses of liquid should be carried right side 
up.” 
  To illustrate how a fact-based program such as Cycorp’s would try to solve a 
simple problem let us turn to the Turing test
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.  Turing reasoned that a computer could 
prove that it was artificially intelligent by fooling a person into thinking it was another 
human being.  His test was modeled from this reasoning:  A human would type questions 
to either another human or a computer (he or she wouldn’t know which) for a certain 
amount of time.  If that person couldn’t tell at the end of the time which of the two he or 
she was talking to, the computer would pass the test (and therefore Turing reasoned, be 
artificially intelligent).  Let me stress that I am not arguing that the Turing test is a good 
one for determining if a computer can think; I am simply using it to demonstrate how a 
program might go about solving a problem.  The fact-based program mentioned above 
might try to answer the simple question “What is a car?” by supplying the information 
that was in its code: “A car is a small vehicle with 4 wheels”.  A harder question might 
have to do with a description a car object followed by “What am I describing?”  This 
could be answering by going down a tree of facts as follows:  The description is of a 
vehicle, search for all the objects under the vehicle topic.  It has four wheels; discard the 
possibility of the motorcycle.  It is light; discard the possibility of the truck.  Conclusion:  
It must be a car.
A program like this could pass the Turing test if it was given enough data.  
However it has many disadvantages.  First it requires someone to input a vast amount of 
                                                
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 Introduced by Alan Turing’s article Computing Machinery and Intelligence in 1950. information manually.  Although the program is capable of making some extensions of 
the given information, it still needs millions of hard facts.  Cycorp’s database has been 
painstakingly entered using over 600 person-hours of effort since 1984. The list of facts 
now stands at 3 million (Anthes).  Second the machine doesn’t seem to work like a 
human, it looks up rules and then gives an answer instead of figuring out what the 
question means.   
Searle’s Chinese room analogy shows why this program isn’t an example of 
strong AI.  Imagine an English speaking person inside of a small room.  This person has 
access to a large rulebook, which is written in English.  Other people outside the room 
can pass notes written in Chinese to him through a small hole in the wall.  Although the 
person inside the small room cannot speak Chinese, he uses the complex rulebook to give 
back an appropriate response to the Chinese writing in Chinese.  Also imagine that this 
rulebook is so well written that the answers the person inside the room gives back are 
indistinguishable from the answers that a native Chinese speaker might give back.  This 
“man in a room” system would be able to carry on a written conversation with a native 
Chinese speaker on the other side of the wall.  In fact the Chinese person might assume 
he was speaking to another person who understands Chinese.  We can plainly see 
however, that the person does not.   
This analogy is disastrous for fact-based AI.  In the same way that the computer 
passes the Turing test by fooling humans into thinking it is another human, the English 
speaker can fool native Chinese speakers into thinking that he understands Chinese.  To 
further explain, the person inside the room is analogous to the computer CPU; they both 
know how to interpret instructions.  The rulebook is analogous to the program; they supply the instructions to obtain the intended result.  The computer programmed with this 
fact-based knowledge does not understand English any more than the English speaker 
understands Chinese.  Both of them are following rules instead of understanding what is 
being asked and responding based their interpretation. 
The defeat of the fact-based program poses problems for strong A.I. supporters.  It 
shows that any program that relies on pre-made a set of rules (no matter how complex) 
cannot understand in the same way that a human mind does.  In fact Searle argues: “… in 
the literal sense the programmed computer understands what the car and the adding 
machine understand, namely, exactly nothing” (Searl 511).  However Searle’s argument 
doesn’t rule out all programs.  A program that learns from scratch, without the use of a 
rulebook or a prefabricated fact database, can understand in the same way that a human 
can.  I will now go about describing such a program. 
To construct the fact-based program we attempted to record facts about the world.  
The learning program takes an orthogonal approach.  It attempts to program the computer 
to learn these facts for itself.  To see how to go about this let us examine how a small 
child learns.  A child comes into the world knowing very little.  She does not know how 
to talk, walk or understand English.  She goes about learning these abilities with three 
tools.  First she has basic goals or needs.  Some of a child’s needs are food, water and 
shelter.  Second she can observe the world.  A child can tell that when she is eating, she is 
getting less hungry.  Finally she can remember what has happened to her.  Let me 
demonstrate how these three tools allow her to learn something.  Imagine that this child is 
hungry.  She observes that when she cries her mother brings her food.  She remembers what has happened to her and finally her need for food causes her to cry again the next 
time she’s hungry.  Her tools have allowed her to learn that crying results in getting food. 
These three tools are the core of the learning program.  However, the goals of a 
computer will differ from the goals of a human.  A computer has no need for food or 
water so they are not appropriate goals.  Instead these goals can be anything that A.I. 
programmers think are important.  Isaac Asimov proposed three such goals (or laws) in 
his fictional stories
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1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a 
human being to come to harm.  
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where 
such orders would conflict with the First Law.  
3. A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does 
not conflict with the First and Second Laws.  
In short a robot’s goals are human well-being, human will and its own well-being.  These 
goals can be implemented in the form of variables linked to actions that the computer 
might perform.  Whenever the computer does something that accomplishes one of its 
goals it might raise the value of the variables connected with its current state or action.  
Similarly it would lower the values of these action-variables when it did something 
against its goals.  These variables also represent the computer’s memory.  This is where 
the computer remembers what to do the next time it is in a similar situation.  Finally the 
computer needs a console, sensors or some other form of input so it can observe what is 
happening around it. Let me demonstrate how it works with a simple example. 
 Imagine a robot equipped with a camera, a flashlight and wheels.  The robot is put 
in an environment and given the extra goal of reaching a certain spot.  If the robot had 
                                                
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 First published in Runaround in 1940. never been in this situation before it might have no idea of how to reach the goal in much 
the same way that the child does not know how to get food.  So it might begin by doing 
any number of things.  Perhaps it would turn on its flashlight.  This would not help it 
reach it’s goal so would try something different.  Maybe it starts driving towards the goal.  
The robot would observe that it is accomplishing a goal so the “going forward” action 
might get a “+ 1 points” in the “trying to reach an object” context.  Perhaps there is a wall 
in front of it halfway to the flag.  It runs into the wall and damages itself.  This is bad for 
the “well-being of self” goal so the “driving forward” action might get “–1 points” in the 
“wall in front of me” context.  These point value will help it remember what to do next 
time it is trying to get from one point to another.  When it sees a wall infront of it in the 
future, the robot will see that “driving forward” has less points than, say, “driving 
sideways” and might pick that option.   The fact that it wants to reach its goals will teach 
the robot through trial and error.  Eventually it will learn how do drive around objects 
(instead of into them). 
 I argue that a robot constructed in this fashion would actually understand how to 
accomplish goals.  To support this belief, let’s see if it does any better with the Chinese 
room example.  Remember that for the fact-based program the person inside the room is 
analogous to the computer CPU and the rulebook is analogous to the program.  However, 
for the learning program there is no rulebook.  The person inside the room is analogous to 
both the CPU and the program.  Instead of people asking questions and having him 
answer back, imagine that the input through the slot in his room is the information he 
receives from the outside world.  At first he has no idea what this input means.  He sends 
random symbols back but after a while he notices a correlation between what he sends out and what he gets back.  He starts to write his own rulebook in his head from this 
information that allows him to translate Chinese input into English.  When he writes back 
he translates the answers that he thought of in English back to Chinese.   
The way the “learning-program person” can communicate in Chinese is 
drastically different than the way the “fact-based person” does.  The “learning-program 
person” learns what the Chinese means by association.  From his knowledge he knows 
the sense of the words.  Some people may point out that he does not actually think in 
Chinese so he must not understand the language.  However, there are many people who 
converse in a non-native tongue.  We cannot claim that these people’s understanding of 
the world is different than our own. 
 Searl might respond to this learning-program by saying that the person inside the 
Chinese room would simulate the entire learning process and that the learning is not 
internal but external.  This means that the person inside of the room is following 
directions that correspond to learning but he himself is not learning.  But if such a 
program falls victim to the Chinese room, wouldn’t a human brain fall victim as well?  
Let us imagine a modified Chinese room for the human brain.  Instead of the man inside 
of the Chinese room simulating a computer program, he simulates the neurons in 
someone’s brain.  When he receives input, he would keep track of what neurons get 
excited and calculate whether or not they fire.  He would know from his rulebook (a 
compendium of the laws of physics, chemistry and biology that would allow him to 
completely simulate the inner workings of the brain) that when certain neurons fired that 
he should output an answer.  The person simulating the brain doesn’t understand Chinese 
any better than the one simulating a computer program.  Why would one be different than the other?  Searl’s opinion is that “actual human mental phenomena might be dependant 
on actual physical-chemical properties of actual human brains” (Searl 519).  Penrose’s 
“The emperor’s new mind” provides insight as to why this may be the case. 
Penrose mentions many physical processes that are not computable.  He first 
examines the Mandelbrot set.  The Mandelbrot set is created by mapping a formula using 
the combination of real and complex numbers.  The result is an Argand Plane.  Here is 
where Penrose brings up an important comment: “We might think of using some 
algorithm for generating the successive digits of an infinite decimal expansion, but it 
turns out that only a tiny fraction of the possible decimal expansions are obtainable in this 
way: the computable numbers” (Penrose 648).  In other words, the exact notion of the 
Mandelbrot set cannot be computed with a computer.  Penrose also mentions quantum 
mechanical principles.  Tiny sub-atomic particles do not follow the same laws of physics 
that larger objects do.  The superposition principle states that a particle can be in many 
different states at the same time.  These states are defined by factors of complex numbers 
and thus are another example of a physical law that cannot be simulated in a computer. 
These two examples may show why the Chinese room cannot simulate the human 
brain.  When the person inside of the room was following the directions for simulating a 
computer the steps he took were explained by a well-defined algorithm.  This is because 
computers are Turing machines, a concept that was formalized elegantly by Alan Turing.  
All Turning machines can be thought of as a device that reads and writes from an 
infinitely long tape.  On the tape is a sequence of partitions that are either blank or 
marked.  The device operates by moving either left or right on the tape.  It can change the 
current section to either “marked” or “blank” and read its current state.  It does this by following a finite set of instructions.  This simple abstraction is enough to run any 
computer program no matter how complex.  It is easy to think of the human inside of the 
Chinese room controlling a Turing machine. 
The brain may, however, rely on non-algorithmic processes than the person inside 
the Chinese room will not be able to follow.  If, for example, neuron X would fire only 
because of a certain arrangement of subatomic particles, there would be no hard set 
directions for what the Chinese-room-person should do.  Perhaps the next instruction has 
a random chance of occurring, if so the person will be confused and unable to complete 
the instruction.  It is important to find out whether the brain makes use of these processes 
because if it does, it would explain why the Chinese room works for computers but not 
for the human brain. 
In the chapter “Where lies the physics of the mind,” Penrose argues that the brain 
does indeed make use of non-computable phenomenon.  He contends that expressions 
that deal with consciousness such as “understanding” and “judgment” and those that do 
not such as “mindlessly” and “automatically”, suggest a distinction between two parts of 
the brain: algorithmic and non-algorithmic (Penrose 653).  Penrose brings up Godel’s 
incompleteness theorem as an example of how the brain makes use of non-algorithmic 
part of the brain.  Godel encoded first order predicate calculus into normal arithmetic 
using prime numbers.  By breaking down F.O.P.C. in this way, he could write out 
arithmetic formulas that would equate to either true or false.  He used this trick to 
demonstrate that there are some statements that cannot be proven or disproved.  One such 
sentence would be: "A computer which knows the answer to all questions will never prove that this sentence is true.”
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  Human beings know that this sentence is true without 
actually going through the process of proving it. If, however, a computer attempts to 
assess the validity of the state through a formal proof it will be confused because the 
statement remains true until the proof is complete. 
Penrose argues that these types of sentences, which humans can reason about, 
would be impossible for a computer to understand.  What Penrose doesn’t notice is that 
even if some statements could not be proved or disproved using FOPC logic, there are 
other ways for computers to approach these problems.  There is no reason that computers 
couldn’t use higher logic to solve puzzles just like a human does.  Penrose’s goal of 
proving strong A.I. impossible fails because he doesn’t make the link between the nonalgorithmic/non-computable physical phenomenon and the human brain.  If in the future 
neuroscientists discovered that the brain relies on such processes then his argument 
would hold more weight.  Still, it would be possible for a program to simulate the 
workings of the brain without simulating the actual physical processes.   
In fact, computers and human brains excel at different tasks, a fact which makes 
literal simulations wasteful.  A computer can remember things for an infinite amount of 
time (assuming the file isn’t deleted).  It can also compute complicated mathematical 
expressions in milliseconds.  Even a human with the best eidetic memory or an 
extraordinary mathematical talent couldn’t rival a computer in these tasks.  On the other 
hand, computers have a very hard time recognizing objects such as human faces.  In dark 
or light, different clothes or dyed hair, we can still recognize our best friend.  Similarly 
the human ability to understand language is amazing.  We can utter sentences that we 
have never said or heard before and understand a variety of accents and slang.  These 
                                                
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 Adapted from Denton “human algorithms” which require almost no effort for us are very difficult for a 
computer.  To throw away a computer’s advantages in mathematics, memory and many 
other tasks seem a waste.  Yet attempting to create a model of human neurons seems to 
do exactly that.  Instead, it would be better to attempt to simulate the way a human brain 
solves problems instead the actual physical processes behind human thinking. 
In this paper I have shown how various arguments against strong A.I. interact.  
These arguments do not show that it is impossible but do restrict what kind of programs 
can be thought of as “truly intelligent”.  Searl’s Chinese room argument shows that factbased programs are incapable of understanding things in the same way as humans do.  It 
also excludes programs that have all their information hard coded in.  Learning is 
essential to programs that wish to support strong A.I. because information has to come 
from the program, not from the programmer.  Penrose has suggested that the brain is 
unable to be simulated by a computer.  If this is true than computers must be a simulation 
of how the brain thinks not how the brain works.  Finally Godel’s incompleteness 
theorem shows that programs must use higher reasoning to achieve its goals.  Philosophy 
is often criticized for being un concerned with real world implications but in this case it 
has shown the best direction for A.I. researchers to explore. References 
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-14 17:29:09
老幾,
我說人工智能如果造成,等於人造人。是因為人的本質等於思維。人工智能只能來自思維的原因。

明察

跟老嘎是想起其他問題,抱歉跑題
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作者:老幾 留言時間:2012-08-14 17:08:45
怎麼兔子跟老嘎拉扯拉扯就跑到天上去了。還要不要主題啦?
看來哲學家缺乏糾錯機制。老幾幫你理一理“證明的十二步”:

1 人工智能 = 人造智慧
假設有誤不全對。智慧是體,智能是用。比如找女朋友用智慧,上了床用智能。用反了不是流氓就是給人踢下床:)

2 智慧的唯一來源是,思維 -存疑
3 不是所以思維都是智慧,只有思維的結晶,才是智慧-存疑
4 欲要知道智慧是否可得,先要知道思維是否可得-存疑
5 欲要知道思維是否可得,先要知道思維的本質是什麼-存疑


6 思維的本質,是思維具有無限/絕對的性質。既,思維沒有界限,思維是無限的(根
據範例哲學,思維的無限/絕對性質,也經證明過)
“思維具有無限/絕對的性質”頂多是思維的“特點”而這個特點的證明值得推敲
“思維的本質,是思維具有無限/絕對的性質”-缺乏證據

7 人類只有先“人工製造”思維(自然生育除外),然後才可以考慮怎麼從“人造思
維”中,產生“智慧”
8 如果人類造出了“思維”功能,不論在什麼物質上實現的,如人造肉,纖維,硅
片,電子原件,等,那麼這個具有人類思維功能的“人造人”,就跟我們其他人類
“基本”一樣,我們就會認為他們是“同類”
這裡將終於將“人工智能”概念成功地換成了“人造人”。哲學家對偷換概念就這麼不敏感?

9 人類的一切法律,道德,政治等文明條例規定,比如會同樣適用於這些“人造人”
身上

10 人類不可能象對待計算機作為機器,來對待這些“人造人”
倫理學範圍。超限討論。

11 結論,“人工智能”,永遠不可能實現,所以是個偽問題。
超限討論導致錯誤結果。

12 所以,人類能作的類似事情,是“人造功能”(待證),而不是“人工智能”
結論極不可靠。
證畢。
商榷
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-14 15:38:20
老幾啊,
誰回家我不管,我只管是否我對。

這十二點證明,關鍵是思維的性質。如果誰能證明思維是有限的,我就錯了。否則,你就聽兔子的吧。
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-14 15:34:31
老嘎,
你看了視頻。你說了錯了。你說說為什麼嗎?

謝謝
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作者:老幾 留言時間:2012-08-14 15:32:23
兔子的十二點“證明”目的是啥?讓所有搞AI的人滾回家?不怕人半夜砸你家窗戶?

鼓勵兔子用哲學方法繼續思考,來給AI提供冠雲說的“靈感”和西岸的“方法論”。
但有一點advice,一旦發現陷入與喬摩斯基的“無知論”,兔子應轉身檢查哪兒出了問題。說到喬摩斯基老幾就納悶他怎麼就成了“第一文化人”?不懂。
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-14 15:08:44
你是說這句話 ?

"如果你不看約翰的回答,自己想一想,你會得出什麼結論?你會象大所數人工智能工作者一樣回答:是。如果我猜的不對。請告訴你的理解,並解釋為什麼?"

我早已回答了 No :

==== john 實驗是假定人和機器在相同的知識背景下的智力競賽。因此john 必須是不懂中文, 否則實驗沒有意義。

剛看了你給的那個視頻,那個視頻的解釋是錯誤的。
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作者:bunny2 留言時間:2012-08-14 14:41:26
老嘎,
抬頭看原文下面,告訴我你的評論,請。
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-14 14:37:38
Here is my old favorite slap on relativity.

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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-14 13:13:38
Sagnac 效應解釋:

由於光源與接收器同角速度轉動。因此無論反向和正向光束,每個光源相對於接收器的相對線速度都是零。相對論中所有同 v/c 有關的項全部消失。因此,解釋Sagnac 效應,除了在接收器看來, 每個光束相對光源的速度都必須是 C, 而不是 c+v 和 c-v 之外,其他根本就不需要相對論的參與,即一切都回到了經典物理。從經典物理看,轉動的效果等價與兩個速度相同的賽跑者跑了不同的距離。效果必然是對應於某個固定的轉動速度,有一個固定不變的相位干涉。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 10:13:25
老嘎,

你不是在西天路上學的這個我肯定。(磐絲洞?)

anyway,請解釋,“Sagnac 效應同遙遠星系的光譜紅移完全是一回事”,兩者我都知道些,但沒有看到這個類似處。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 10:05:07
WOW,WOW,我發覺西岸給我“半個”支持,對不?(老西同志過去一貫站在與人民一面,反對兔子的)。

我不了解AI的歷史,但我似乎感到你是對的。AI沒有哲學基礎,猶同炒股票沒有大富翁一樣 - 缺少哲學根基,所以淺薄,走不遠。

老嘎,
沒有想到這麼個大右派,腦子裡居然是馬列主義哲學!

你這個“唯心主義”,是共產黨給你灌輸的吧?你聽說過哪個西方科學/哲學家認為自己的哲學認識是“only based on my thinking 主義”嗎?

醒醒吧。
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-14 09:54:36
只需具備比較清晰的物理概念,就知道 SAGNAC 效應同相對論不矛盾。

1. Sagnac 效應同遙遠星系的光譜紅移完全是一回事;

2. 假定有一艘宇宙飛船正以0.5c 的速度向地球飛來,如果這時你正在接聽從飛船上來的電話。你會發現:(A)從飛船上傳來的無線電波的速度是C, 而不是1.5c;(B)說話人的速度(聲調)提高了1.5倍。
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作者:紫荊棘鳥 留言時間:2012-08-14 09:50:59
哦,老幾寫了個戲說休謨?等下去拜讀
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作者:西岸 留言時間:2012-08-14 09:46:27
哲學的意義在於產生對於事物的認識角度,而其輸出是方法論,因此並沒有什麼神秘的地方。
如果非要具體到什麼汽車設計的問題,即便單純從工程角度講,那也是可以有”在什麼情況下一個設計是失敗的“這類議題,而這類問題是可以從哲學的角度考慮的,從而界定了設計的邊界條件,即設定了一個設計的出發點,這是方法論的概念。
要是到了科學研究的範疇,那麼如何認識所研究的對象的性質就是最基本的要解決的問題,那麼就是認識事物性質的概念,這是個哲學範疇的內容。否則類似string theory這類基本是體現一種對世界的認識的哲學理論是不會出現的。
至於AI,從其研究開始就缺乏哲學角度的支持,也是其走入死胡同的原因之一。
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-14 09:35:28
現在總算看清了兔子的哲學思想 - 即徹頭徹尾的唯心主義。不僅如此,兔子幾乎撿起了所有被當代科學認知所拋棄的東西。比如:

1. 思維的無限和絕對 - 肯定絕對精神的存在,也就是肯定智慧創造論。

2. John 的“智慧不可能全靠軟件實現”的觀點指的是思維除了邏輯之外的某些其他非邏輯特性,這是根據生物學的發現所得,而不是根據什麼“思維的無限和絕對”。一個是實證, 一個是唯心。有本質的不同。

3. 關於人類的趨道德特性(我已經有了一些想法,但現在不說),我相信將來一定能夠在生物學和進化論上找到答案,而不必假定一個神秘的“絕對或無限”精神。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 09:32:31
人類的問題,是把已經作的事當作想當然。

人們吃了幾千年飯,最近100年才搞懂消化的原理。

人們用了千年數字,符雷格第一個發現了數字的基礎是什麼?(集論開始)

人們用了千年語言,符雷格第一個發現了語言的指謂功能,創立了數理邏輯。

人們的腦袋思維了千年,徒子第一個發現了思維的本質意味什麼。

人們搞了幾十年人工智能,以為可以使思維的功能隨手拈來,徒子第一個指出了人造功能與人工智能的區分。

等等。

下面是老嘎的,

“假定我們已經找到了宇宙中心的位置,並且知道我們太陽系相對宇宙中心的速度,比如 0.5c。 要證明這個速度本身對時空的影響(類似於相對論那樣的影響),那麼最好的辦法是對着宇宙中心做一個類似於麥克爾森-莫雷實驗那樣的實驗。如果結論是肯定的,兔子立馬就可得諾貝爾獎。”

你聽說過"Sagnac 效應挑戰相對性原理"?
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-14 07:50:47
證明的十二步:

1 人工智能 = 人造智慧

2 智慧的唯一來源是,思維

3 不是所以思維都是智慧,只有思維的結晶,才是智慧

4 欲要知道智慧是否可得,先要知道思維是否可得

5 欲要知道思維是否可得,先要知道思維的本質是什麼

6 思維的本質,是思維具有無限/絕對的性質。既,思維沒有界限,思維是無限的(根
據範例哲學,思維的無限/絕對性質,也經證明過)

7 人類只有先“人工製造”思維(自然生育除外),然後才可以考慮怎麼從“人造思
維”中,產生“智慧”

8 如果人類造出了“思維”功能,不論在什麼物質上實現的,如人造肉,纖維,硅
片,電子原件,等,那麼這個具有人類思維功能的“人造人”,就跟我們其他人類
“基本”一樣,我們就會認為他們是“同類”

9 人類的一切法律,道德,政治等文明條例規定,比如會同樣適用於這些“人造人”
身上

10 人類不可能象對待計算機作為機器,來對待這些“人造人”

11 結論,“人工智能”,永遠不可能實現,所以是個偽問題。

12 所以,人類能作的類似事情,是“人造功能”(待證),而不是“人工智能”

證明完畢。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 07:23:35
OK,原來二師兄和女俠合謀暗中算計我!待我們西天回來再算總帳,現在要“和諧”壓倒一切。

我先說說John Searl教授的觀點。

他認為,用數字1,0不能算人工智能。哪什麼是人工智能呢?他不肯定:

“Understanding does not come from ones and zeros or simbols per se.Instead:it requires certain kinds of wetware or hardware or meat."

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兔子認為:

John Searl教授前一半,“Understanding does not come from ones and zeros or simbols per se.,是對的。後一半,錯了。

因為,”人工智能“,本身就是個偽問題。

”人工智能“,這個詞,就錯了。只有”人造功能“,沒有”人工智能“。

這理的”智“,我理解為即”智慧“,是人思維的的精華。

為什麼呢?
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作者:老幾 留言時間:2012-08-14 07:00:16
“兔子怎麼老是和他人爭得面紅耳赤啊。這裡,你聽老幾的意見,應該比較靠譜麼”
還是紫荊女俠有見地,哈哈!
老幾也臉紅,因為偷了紫荊的武林筆法搞了個戲說休謨,告罪!

“你說深藍會不會自學?會不會改錯?我想應該,IBM不會這個想不到吧 ?”
AI我曾用來搞火焰監測,當時也算領先技術,因此知道一些。 到兩年前為止,不管叫什麼,AI主要還停留在“模態識別”階段,就是CIA用來鑑定本拉登真偽的那種方法。本質就是對照片,只是算法不同。“你說深藍會不會自學?”我懷疑不是真正意義上的那種,即不是“有意識學習”。不是想不想到的問題,是方法上有待突破。老幾圍棋算個業餘高手,想得來程序怎麼編。無非是預先輸入各種定式及其變化,外加一些邏輯和規則判斷,所謂自學改錯,應該主要還是得靠程序員完成。沒聽說近兩年有大的突破。我說的過於簡單,實際計算還是會很複雜。感覺方法論上有待突破神經網絡之類。
兔子說與哲學的關係,說來聽聽。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 05:46:35
大師兄願意坐下來(暗的磨刀),不等於二師兄願意。讓咱們再等等
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-14 05:38:11
俺對人工智能的全部能耐都拿出來了。就等着兔子畫龍點睛的一筆了。俺現在想知道哲學是如何在這個問題上立了大功的。不過俺擔心的是, 兔子的這一筆上去之後,那個東西反而更像蛇了。

(俺同意人工智能裡面涉及很多有意思的邏輯和哲學問題,在 Scientific American 雜誌裡面這樣的文章較多)
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 03:22:51
老嘎,
你這個"現買賣"好像並不經典。如果能自學,就包括它了。你另一"意識"之說,似乎想說要是切半個人腦裝上,就成了?
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-14 03:10:20
歡迎冠雲,紫鳥二位!

老幾,
你說深藍會不會自學?會不會改錯?我想應該,IBM不會這個想不到吧 ?
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作者:紫荊棘鳥 留言時間:2012-08-13 21:41:00
兔子怎麼老是和他人爭得面紅耳赤啊。這裡,你聽老幾的意見,應該比較靠譜麼
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2012-08-13 21:25:22
俺認為人工智能是指機器能夠模擬人的最重要的大腦特性, 即意識。

老幾說的學習是必須的特徵之一。但除了”知識學習“之外,人工智能還必須具有對算法即時創新的能力。這就是我說 image 自更新的概念。具體地說就是十億個 object oriented 子程序,也比不上即時編程,即時編譯的算法學習功能, 即人工智能必須會現買現賣。

最後解釋一下軟硬結合的概念。這個”硬“完全不是指硬件本身, 而是大腦皮層的某些特性。比如,受外傷或移植手術,會使人的性格大變並且意識好像也是可以接種或移植的。這使人想到了除了神經系統之外,對意識直接起作用的還有別的什麼”物質“。意識的這個特性是完全獨立於大腦”軟件系統“的。
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作者:老幾 留言時間:2012-08-13 20:26:30
老幾知識會有問題邏輯不會有問題。
“你原來說下棋不是AI,現在又說是?”
老幾沒有說下棋不是AI,因為俺知道搞AI的人稱之AI。老幾不會因為搞AI的人稱之AI就承認它是AI。因為所有智能動物都能自學,所以老幾的AI必須要能自學。你要機器跟人比,它首先得會自學,否則你就是跟寫code的人在比,人跟人在比,不是機器跟人比。
沒有自學功能,再高級的機器還是機器,從根本上說還比不上一個兔子(因為兔子有自學功能)。如果兔子活得足夠長,它最後一定會超過功能在它之上的機器兔!
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作者:蘭冠雲 留言時間:2012-08-13 20:23:46
三個哥們討論得不亦樂乎。前面的好幾期我都漏過了。

我就插一句:哲學不能為具體的科學研究提供指導,但是可以提供靈感。對於形而上的玄想,相當程度上是人的精神跳脫已知世界的遨遊,這種玄想未必合乎真實,但或者合乎;猶如科學研究上的假設,其靈感或者可由哲學而來。當然,我是科盲,現在想不出具體的個例來。
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作者:stinger 留言時間:2012-08-13 19:58:04
老幾,
你的邏輯真有問題了。你原來說下棋不是AI,現在又說是?
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作者:老幾 留言時間:2012-08-13 19:40:24
“你是將動物的個別功能當成人口智能了吧?如狗的鼻子比人靈?”
下棋不是比“個別功能”?
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作者:Rabbit 留言時間:2012-08-13 18:40:00
老幾,
‘自學’,無論是什麼,機器也好,動物也好,都不是人工智能。這是我要說的。如果有的動物比人的智力高,人不被動物消滅了?你是將動物的個別功能當成人口智能了吧?如狗的鼻子比人靈?
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