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假冒伪劣的“官方网站” 2013-11-04 23:05:26

假冒劣的“官方网站”


1996年起,互网(internet)一被广泛的流普通人所熟知。经过多年的展,互网已在社会的各个全人提供了便利。件、即消息、视频,网日志(blog)、网上物等已越来越多人的一种生活方式;而基于B2BB2C等平台的子商,跨越洲的商以及子政等等与政府造了更加安全,更加快捷的境。

但是,多年以来,一直存在着一个困惑好啊好啊的问题,那就是中文的“官方网站”一。身正宗外人士的好啊好啊认为官方网站一是从official website或者official site的英文翻译过来的。但是,无如何,看着个中文的着那么

英文的website网站,并没有什么问题。不就是指在互网上,根据一定的规则,使用HTML等工具制作的用于展示特定内容的相关网的集合。简单,网站是一种通信工具,就像布告,人可以通网站来布自己想要公开的信息,或者利用网站来提供相关的网。人可以通页浏览器来访问网站,取自己需要的信息或者享受网

可是将official website官方网站,就不那么人感到名副其了。不知道是什么人official website词进行翻的。但是,好啊好啊得可以肯定的是,他/她一定是一位深受尊敬的中国互网事的先者。可能是出身的故吧,文学修养有瑕疵,的翻不是那么精准确切。背了清末新兴资产阶级蒙思想家、翻师严提倡的“信,达,雅”的准。

“信”“达”“雅”?在《天演》中的“例言”到:“事三:信、达、雅。求其信已大矣,信矣不达,虽译犹不也,尚焉。”“信”指意不背原文,即是文要准确,不歪曲,不漏,也不要随意增减意思;“达”指不拘泥于原文形式,文通明白;“雅”时选用的词语要得体,追求文章本身的古雅,雅。在中国的翻界,自事三:信、达、雅”之后,又有“忠、通和美”、“不增不减”、“神似”、“化”等法提出。主张虽多,又各据其理,然就其可操作性来看,有如“信达雅”之可触可摸,可施可行者。

而“official website”也就是一个技术词组,在翻译过程中,本不存在在“达”的方面理解的困,同也不存在着“雅”的方面表达的障碍。可是,一不留神,在广使用的翻而来的中文“官方网站”一却在第一重要的“信”上出了一些问题,那就是并没有准确地表达的意思,有着歪曲其意的象存在。然无如何理解那都是无意的。

中文中的“官”字,甲骨文字形,从“宀”(mián),以冖覆众,有治众的意思。流到今大体上有以下的意思:在政府担任职务的人;属于国家的或公家的。

再来看看英文中的official的意思,在英文中大体上是如此描述的,An official is someone who holds an office (function or mandate, regardless whether it carries an actual working space with it) in an organization or  gavernment and participates in the exercise of authority (either his own or that of his superior and/or employer, public or legally private). 是作来描述的,该词还具有形容的性,其意思就附有和官有关的意思了。在中文典中,我可以看到以下的意思:n. 行政官;公务员[]裁判;高级职员adj. 官方的,法定的;公的,公的;官气十足;正式的。嘿嘿,

很明official website中的official里是作形容使用的。的确,在中文翻中有很多的官字以及和官有关的文字在那里着,该词万分“官气十足”。但是,当我看中文的众多的官方网站,的确可以看到很多各政府以及和国家政有关的位的网站,好啊好啊绝对认为这是毫无错误的。可是,除了些政府以及和国家政有关的位的网站之外,在中文的互网汪洋大海的世界中,个人和非政府的网站,博客,微博等等均冠以“官方”二字,些个人以及非政府位(如公司)和“官”是扯不上任何关系的。而其网站,博客和微博前竟然赫赫地冠以“官方”二字,在好啊好啊看来真的有几分挂羊狗肉的子,滑稽十足,嘿嘿!

official 个英文单词来源于拉丁,其ficfactfectfeasfeat,意思相当于英文的make,do,中文就表示“做,制作”的意思。office就是简单而言是做事的地方,但是,不是普通一般人自己做事的地方,而是定俗成地表示正式地大家事、做事的地方,而引深为办公室,营业处,政府机关,官。从而official也就成了行政官,公务员了。

了了解official website的确切定,好啊好啊将此词组输google行搜索,屏幕示,用0.18秒找到 159,000,000 果,也许是好啊好啊资质鲁钝,或者太懒而没有好好翻页寻找,竟然没有找到一条该词组的解或定。无奈之下,只好求助英文版的基百科全,然而,令人失望的是竟然没有一个official website的定或解。只不是在英文版的基百科全中找到了一个和official相关的website的解,那就是celebrity website词组,可是似乎是名人网站的的意思。词组的英文解就更明了问题A website whose information revolves around a celebrity. This sites can be official (endorsed by the celebrity) or fan made (run by his/her fan, fans, without implicit endorsement).

无奈之下,借助于自己略懂一点儿的日,想看看日official website是如何翻的。果得知是“公式ウェブサイト”一个乱七八糟的东东,嘿嘿。日文解是:公式ウェブサイト(こうしきウェブサイト)は、法人や著名人などが、広報・広告・PR・販売・顧客対応などを目的として自ら公開しているウェブサイトである。公式サイト、オフィシャルサイトとも呼ぶ。翻成中文后就是“公式网站”,其意思是法人或者著名的人以道、广告、宣、出售、以及为顾客服务为目的公开的网站,也叫公式サイト(公式网站,相对应official site)、オフィシャルサイト(是日official website的一种表达方式,可以出近似的音来)。这样看来和英文的celebrity website近似,可又有不同。从elebrity website是个人的,而日文中的公式ウェブサイト除了个人的之外,有各种法人体。但是,从日文中可以看出来,并没有官方的意思。

网站如此,博客,微博等中国特色的和互网关的事物都被予“官方”色彩,可是,在好啊好啊眼里看到的往往大多数是和中文的“官”毫无关系的一些个人呀组织呀或位在那里活每每笑大方的感

好啊好啊认为,在对official website词进行翻译时,最好保持一个平常心,忽视那“官气十足”的一大堆和官有关的中文解释,而将英汉词典上那个排位靠后、毫不起眼的“正式的”引来应用,翻“正式网站”,可能更恰当一些。这样翻译的话,可以让中文和英文的意思近乎相同,表里一致,词达其意,名副其实。

来看,当然,最初的者有文学素微有瑕疵的感,但是,本上反映了中国传统文化中“官文化”,“官本位”的问题

 官文化”是本主文化出之前,人类农业社会最深厚、广博、系的文化,它在中大地上的生,主了中帝国的形成演,凝聚中民族的一延。“官本位”是一种以官本、以官为贵、以官主要内容的价值观

自夏商周以来,与国王或皇帝同父异母的人都定同姓王,有功的人都封姓王、公、侯什么的,有皇帝分的大量土地。国王和皇帝以及些王、公、侯任命一些管理人些人就是官

即使从秦、始建立了中央集体制,从州、郡、到中央,通官来集行金字塔这样的社会必定致“官本位”。

而更重要的是中国的农业社会皇至上,普天下皆皇土,一切都是皇帝的,一切都由皇帝了算。皇帝任命的官就在当地代表皇帝管理那个地区,官威性不容挑,从而将“官本位”推向上了极致,在“官本位”的土壤就是来自中国经历了三千年的农业社会。一切,都中国三千年的农业社会管理行了必要的保障。

最初,官都是从有功人拔任命的,或利者推荐有才能的人。后来,到了隋、唐开始了通拔官吏的制度,也就是科制度。科知道是古代中国的一重要政治制度,中国社会和文化生了巨大影响,直接催生了不论门第、以考试产生的“士大夫”阶层从前国无的非富贵阶层的人,开了一个参与治理国家的一个窄国家管理阶层增添了新血液和能量。但是,从改善“官文化”,“官本位”的角度来,却没有什么意

农业社会去了,在中国入了工社会,在民众尚完全没有适社会所衍生的一些列文化特征,中国海一只脚已踏入了后工社会。而与此同农业社会所生的“官文化”的先然无存,它的官僚本主所集合的反民主力成民族展的主要障碍。一百多年来有人试图本主文化取代官文化,将中国治的工文明,由于官文化和官僚本主的抵制破坏,由于本主文化的局限,努力流于空想。而今治日衰落,本主文化的腐朽、反充分展引中国展的文化源于中国的社会矛盾。现实中国的社会矛盾要求新文化,中国人有必要也有能力造新文化。以劳动主体的劳动社会主自由文化确立民主的威,排除本主文化的腐朽,批判和克服官文化,引政治、经济变革,中国就能振并再度先于世界。中国两千多年的封建制文化致使思想意深入中国社会的层层面面,甚至可以是中文化的一部分,即“糟粕”的那部分。

官本位的其他方面就不在里一一行探了。好啊好啊只是感到憾的是,如此一个常词汇,确实在在地是一个假冒劣的词汇。表明了一位有成就的从事专业工作的人,其骨子里也透着官气十足的“官文化”。


嘿嘿,

好啊好啊!

附:来自英文基百科的各种网站。下划线的就是celebrity website

Websites
can be divided into two broad categories - static and interactive. Interactive sites are part of the Web 2.0 community of sites, and allow for interactivity between the site owner and site visitors.
Static sites serve or capture information but do not allow engagement with the audience directly.

Type of Website             Description      Examples    Affiliate

Affiliate Agency

A site, typically few in pages, whose purpose is to sell a third party's product. The seller receives a commission for facilitating the sale.    

Affiliate Agencies

Enabled portal that renders not only its custom CMS but also syndicated content from other content providers for an agreed fee. There are usually three relationship tiers. (e.g., Commission Junction), Advertisers (e.g., eBay) and consumer (e.g., Yahoo!).

Archive site

Used to preserve valuable electronic content threatened with extinction. Two examples are: Internet Archive, which since 1996 has preserved billions of old (and new) web pages; and Google Groups, which in early 2005 was archiving over 845,000,000 messages posted to Usenet news/discussion groups. Internet Archive, Google Groups.

Attack site

A site created specifically to attack visitors' computers on their first visit to a website by downloading a file
(usually a trojan horse). These websites rely on unsuspecting users with poor anti-virus protection in their computers. 

Blog (web log)

Sites generally used to post online diaries which may include discussion forums (e.g., blogger, Xanga). Many bloggers use blogs like an editorial section of a newspaper to express their ideas on anything ranging from politics to religion to video games to parenting, along with anything in between. Some bloggers are professional bloggers and they are paid to blog about a certain subject, and they are usually found on news sites. WordPress

Brand building site             

A site with the purpose of creating an experience of a brand online. These sites usually do not sell
anything, but focus on building the brand. Brand building sites are most common for low-value, high-volume fast moving consumer goods (FMCG).

Celebrity website

A website whose information revolves around a celebrity. This sites can be official (endorsed by the celebrity) or fan made (run by his/her fan, fans, without implicit endorsement).

jimcarrey.com

Click-to-donate site

A website that allows the visitor to donate to charity simply by clicking on a button or answering a question correctly. An advertiser usually donates to the charity for each correct answer generated. The Hunger Site, Freerice, Ripple (charitable organisation)

Community site

A site where persons with similar interests communicate with each other, usually by chat or message boards. Myspace, Facebook, orkut

Content site

Sites whose business is the creation and distribution of original content.  (e.g., Slate, About.com).

Classified Ads site        

Sites publishing classified advertisements       gumtree.com
Corporate website

Used to provide background information about a business, organization, or service. 

Dating website

A site where users can find other single people looking for long range relationships, dating, or just friends.   Many of them are pay per services such as eHarmony and Match.com, but there are many free or partially free
dating sites. Most dating sites today have the functionality of social networking websites.

Electronic commerce (e-commerce) site             

A site offering goods and services for online sale and enabling online transactions for such sales.    

Forum website

A site where people discuss various topics.       

Gallery Website

A website designed specifically for use as a Gallery, these may be an art gallery or photo gallery and of commercial or non-commercial nature.             

Government Site

A website made by the local, state, department or national government of a country. Usually these sites also
operate websites that are intended to inform tourists or support tourism.     For example, Richmond.com is the geodomain for Richmond, Virginia.

Gripe site

A site devoted to the criticism of a person, place, corporation, government, or institution.       

Gaming website /Gambling website

A site that lets users play online games. Some enable people to gamble online.

Humor site

Satirizes, parodies or otherwise exists solely to amuse.            

Information site           

Most websites could fit in this type of website to some extent many of them are not necessarily for commercial purposes           RateMyProfessors.com, Free Internet Lexicon and Encyclopedia. Most government, educational and nonprofit institutions have an informational site.

Media sharing site       

A site that enables users to upload and view media such as pictures, music, and videos Flickr, YouTube, Google Videos

Mirror site

A website that is the replication of another website. This type of websites are used as a response to spikes in user visitors. Mirror sites are most commonly used to provide multiple sources of the same information, and are of particular value as a way of providing reliable access to large downloads.     

Microblog site

A short and simple form of blogging. Microblogs are limited to certain amounts of characters and works similar to a status update on Facebook.Twitter

News site

Similar to an information site, but dedicated to dispensing news, politics, and commentary.   cnn.com

Personal website

Websites about an individual or a small group (such as a family) that contains information or any content that the individual wishes to include. Such a personal website is different from a Celebrity website, which can be very expensive and run by a publicist or agency.           

Phishing site

a website created to fraudulently acquire sensitive information, such as passwords and credit card details, by
masquerading as a trustworthy person or business (such as Social Security Administration, PayPal) in an electronic communication (see Phishing).

p2p/Torrents website

Websites that index torrent files. This type of website is different from a Bit torrent client which is usually a stand alone software.             Mininova, The Pirate Bay, IsoHunt

Political site         

A site on which people may voice political views, show political humor, campaigning for elections, or show information about a certain political party or ideology.            

Porn site

A site that shows sexually explicit content for enjoyment and relaxation. They can be similar to a personal website when it's a website of a porn actor/actress or a media sharing website where user can upload from their own sexually explicit material to movies made by adult studios.    

Question and Answer (Q&A) Site

Answer site is a site where people can ask questions & get answers.   Yahoo! Answers, Stack Exchange Network (including Stack Overflow)

Rating site

A site on which people can praise or disparage what is featured.         

Religious site

A site in which people may advertise a place of worship, or provide inspiration or seek to encourage the faith of a follower of that religion. 

Review site

A site on which people can post reviews for products or services.          

School site

a site on which teachers, students, or administrators can post information about current events at or involving their school. U.S. elementary-high school websites generally use k12 in the URL  

Scraper site

a site which largely duplicates without permission the content of another site, without actually pretending to be that site, in order to capture some of that site's traffic (especially from search engines) and profit from advertising revenue or in other ways.

Search engine site

A website that indexes material on the Internet or an intranet (and lately on traditional media such as books and newspapers)and provides links to information as a response to a query.   Google Search, Bing, GoodSearch, DuckDuckGo

Shock site

Includes images or other material that is intended to be offensive to most viewers      Goatse.cx,
rotten.com

Showcase site

Web portals used by individuals and organisations to showcase things of interest or value    

Social bookmarking site           

A site where users share other content from the Internet and rate and comment on the content.           StumbleUpon and Digg are examples.

Social networking site

A site where users could communicate with one another and share media, such as pictures, videos, music, blogs, etc. with other users. These may include games and web applications. Facebook, Orkut, Google+

Warez

A site designed to host or link to materials such as music, movies and software for the user to download.         

Webmail

A site that provides a webmail service.              Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo!

Web portal

A site that provides a starting point or a gateway to other resources on the Internet or an intranet.              msn.com, msnbc.com, yahoo

Wiki site

A site which users collaboratively edit its content.        Wikipedia, WikiHow, Wikia



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作者:好啊好啊 留言时间:2013-11-06 16:30:23
再次感谢黑河人网友的交流!

“小题大做”?嘿嘿,好啊好啊本就草民一介,哪有资格做什么大题目呢?至于说博文码的长,也就是消磨时光的办法之一而已。又不是发表在什么权威杂志上。小题目,做大博文,只是个人爱好而已。
好啊好啊对于大事,都让各位代表了去做了;而自己就是做一些小事。嘿嘿,
古人曰:“勿以恶小而为之,勿以善小而不为。”呀,“集腋成裘”呀,好啊好啊也就是从小做起而已。
不好意思,个人见解而已。谢谢关注!
嘿嘿,
好啊好啊!

愚人不过觉得有点小题大做。官本位的弊病和案例多了去了。官网这个名词不值得深究。我这儿也是少说为佳。 - See more at: http://blog.creaders.net/haoahaoa/user_blog_diary.php?did=165039#sthash.p97SK91M.dpuf
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作者:黑河人 留言时间:2013-11-06 07:57:31
谢谢回复。
愚人不过觉得有点小题大做。官本位的弊病和案例多了去了。官网这个名词不值得深究。我这儿也是少说为佳。
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作者:好啊好啊 留言时间:2013-11-06 06:43:01
欢迎黑河人网友光临指导!

不过,你所言的“提出问题的目的是解决问题。光批判而后没有解决问题的办法或建议。不值得拉拉这么长篇。”似乎在好啊好啊的这个博文中并不存在。
好啊好啊在下划线外加黑体字的处明确地提出应该叫“正式网站”了,如何是“光批判而后没有解决问题的办法和建议呢”?建设性的词提出来了呀!当然,人微言轻,可能起不了什么作用而已,嘿嘿,
“官网”一词从翻译成一个词到实际中文的official webstie所具有的特征,都显示了不合适。
“专有网,私有网,专属网,本属网”这四个中的专有网,专属网二者意思到还可以,可是相应的英文却没有这个意思。还是违反了严复提倡的“信,达,雅”的翻译标准。文化是有传承性的,需要尊重前人制定的标准进行,这样的思维方式才有建设性。否则,就缺乏建设性,而具有破坏性了。而私有网,本属网的提法和英文大相径庭了。
你所言“其实official website 的中文叫官网没有大错。实质是正式专有责任所有。比如企业网、个人网,你叫它什么?该企业或个人的官方网站没有错吧?很多新名词是约定俗成,随时应变的,官网与官本位的官字原意没有多少关系。”
新名词是约定俗成的,可是那时在无前列、首创时如此这般进行的。翻译外国文字,必须遵照前人约定俗成的标准。而不能私自进行约定俗成。看样子,你对知识产权,知识首创权的尊重,还需要一段时间来提高。
中文的“官”字,望文生义,和官本位的关系太大了,而将一个和官没有关系的词硬翻译成和官有关的词,这从潜意识中就表露出来了译者的官本位的念头。
中国人正在文化的方方面面和世界先进国家进行接轨,可是,总有一些地方做的不如人意。
还有那个所谓的“动车”在分类学上也显得非常没有规则。严重地破坏了中文这个传扬已久、优美的文字。

嘿嘿,
好啊好啊!
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作者:黑河人 留言时间:2013-11-06 05:37:02
提出问题的目的是解决问题。光批判而后没有解决问题的办法或建议。不值得拉拉这么长篇。

其实official website 的中文叫官网没有大错。实质是正式专有责任所有。比如企业网、个人网,你叫它什么?该企业或个人的官方网站没有错吧?很多新名词是约定俗成,随时应变的,官网与官本位的官字原意没有多少关系。

可以替代的还有:
专有网,私有网,专属网,本属网,,

最后简单的容易意会和接受的是哪个?可能还是官网。有多少人会联系到官本位?
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