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與喬穆斯基就“普遍語法(UG)”的通信 2014-12-08 18:03:46
下面是今天(12/8/14),與喬穆斯基關於“普遍語法(UG)”的EMAIL通信。因為純粹是學術討論,所以沒有再徵求喬教授意見,所以如有所遺漏錯誤,責任在我。這裡發表出來供有興趣的同學參考。

謝謝!

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--Dear Prof,

I believe that you seek truth as a philosopher like Socrates. 

The following comment on Analytical philosophy and on your Universal Grammar was published in the most popular website in North America, Creaders.net, in Chinese (http://bbs.creaders.net/education/bbsviewer.php?trd_id=1012677&blog_id=199910). 

As the writer I feel it is not fair to you if you are not aware of it. So I provide you with the title of the comment and will translated the entire essay for you if you are interested. Thanks for your time reading it.

"From Chomsky’s "Universal Grammar" Trace How Philosophy of Language Analysis Leads Philosophy into a Dead End"


--This appears to be a translation of a very poor article that appeared in the NY Review a few years ago.  Several responses were published pointing out the serious errors and misunderstandings of the author.
 
--Can you show your evidence and how you reach this consensus?

--You can find the responses in the NY Review, online.   There are two letters, one by philosopher Sylvain Bromberger, the other by me, responding to Searle’s complete misunderstanding of Bromberger’s thorough refutation of his claims.
 
If you have a specific question, let me know.

--I came upon Searle's comment on your book by chance. Actually, I did not base my opinion on his - just I happened to see his comment on your project and believe that your major theory of UG launched in the 50's - now 60 years later - probably has not, since that time, been growing as fast as you expected. But if I am wrong, please tell me and I will apologize. The major reason for my claim is that I formed a philosophy called "Instance" - the electronic version of the book I sent to you. With which, I can see problems with Roddy's, Wittgenstein's and Kant's problems too (I feel that you were influence by them in forming your theory somehow.). I assume you don't know enough Chinese to read my book and wish you have other faculties or grads who can translate my book for you. But the bigger problem from the past two years since I wrote it is that I haven't see any philosopher who can understand what I am talking about - although I have tried very hard to explain. As I believe in seeking truth as you do, that's why I gathered enough strength to write to you.

If I cause any discomfort on your feelings, pls forgive me and I won't bother you any more.

--No discomfort at all.  Glad to clarify the issue if I can.  Afraid I can’t read Chinese.   Sorry to hear about the difficulties you are facing – not unusual, unfortunately.
 
Searle never understood the theories of the ‘50s, and was completely confused about developments since.  It’s quite remarkable that a journal like the NY Review, which purports to be a serious intellectual journal, would select a reviewer who understands nothing about the topic.

--OK, Searle aside, do you believe in the past more than half century later, your UG project is what you expected today? Or you are still as confident as you were 60 years ago on it? If you are (honestly of course),  I am wrong. Else I claim that I know why. 


--The project has advanced far beyond what I could possibly have anticipated 50 years ago.  And is by now far more firmly established.

--Thank you for your earnest reply. I will find out where I am wrong. According to my theory, if UG is functioning well,  then, there should be "common programming grammar" for all computer software and AI; "common formula for generating math logic, math itself, even for generating dreams, morality, even beauty, love, etc. because they are all in the same category - the products of brain - the reason is if one, UG, succeeds, so do others too. Agree?

Pls don't reply any more for I take too much of your time. I am very honored to talk to you.  

Have a good night!

BR,


--UG is part of biology, on a par with the theory of the genetic endowment UMV that provides us with a mammalian rather than insect visual system.  It’s not relevant to UMV that television works differently, let alone dreams, morality, etc.
 
--Thanks prof. I will study more of your work.Good night,

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作者:hare 留言時間:2014-12-08 23:44:29
對話我先開始,一來一往。BR- Best Regards
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作者:hare 留言時間:2014-12-08 23:35:56
拉大旗作狐皮的目的,是警告亂罵一通的娃娃腦袋!不過這次你不在其列。事實上,你這篇需要我想想再答覆。
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作者:嘎拉哈 留言時間:2014-12-08 23:13:53
我說師傅:

哲淆這玩意可不是拉大旗的活兒。你以為把僑老爺拉出來就會在萬維嚇倒一大片?鬼扯!俺讀完了,仍然不知所云。不明白哪一段是僑老頭的話, 哪一段是您的。另外,Who the hell is "BR"?

還有,您如果想要批判分析哲學,您是找錯了對象。您應當批判維根斯坦,而不是喬布斯。俺反對喬布斯的政治觀點,但是對於他的語言學,俺是個外行,不願意在這方面胡說八道。俺覺得他的“UG”的着眼點屬於科學範疇。當然,俺不反對有人(包括他自己)做某些哲學引申。

維根斯坦認為哲學就是“語言遊戲”,這才是問題所在。俺以為,語言的目的是一個個體生命像其他個體生命解釋自己對客觀世界的主觀認知或者客觀發現。很多人認為語言的目的是為了交流。然而,交流的內容又是什麼?沒有內容的交流會不會存在?用一句話來總結,那就是,物理世界是一切意識產生和存在(包括語言)的基礎。語言的特點跟思維的特點相同,都具有歸納(inductive)的特徵。人類的語言同客觀存在的關係,就像數學和物理的關係。正如沒有物理世界的存在,數學就不可能出現一樣,沒有物質世界的背景,語言是不可能存在的,即便是存在,也是沒有任何意義的。

俺的感覺是,喬布斯所提出的普遍語法,可能對人工智能研究有重大意義。但是對於人類語言來說,類似於圖靈的停機問題,很可能也是無解的。原因是,人類語言這個東西太主觀,太局域。它基本上就是一種“約定成俗”。另外,人類喜歡類比,隱喻,指桑罵槐, 正話反說。還有萬維的攪醬缸,擺烏龍等等。。。這些東西本身就說明, 統一的“客觀語法”根本就沒有意義。政協發言人一句”你懂的“,就是對喬布斯的最好回答。
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