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一个亚裔都不剩下 2007-04-19 19:22:26

2001年,布什政府签定一个跨党派的教育法案,名字叫做No Child Left Behind Act,我的哲学课教授兼好朋友,一个研究柏拉图的学者David嘲笑说,这个法案叫做No Chile Left Act还差不多。我觉得这是迄今他给我讲过的最好的笑话。今天我要说的可以叫做No Asian Left.

Virginia Tech的校园血案爆发到肇事者被认定,全亚洲所有国家在美的侨民都提心掉胆过了好几天,等到肇事者国籍被认定,除韩国外所有国家的国民都长长吁了一口气。虽然Cho同学移民美国已经15年了,但是自从被认定是韩国人以后,韩国卢总统已经给小树丛打过两次电话了都,韩国大使还号召在美韩人轮流绝食32天。我想起小时候看过的揭露旧社会地主凶残的小人书,上面说地主家狗死了,要农民给披麻戴孝下跪以葬父亲的规格葬之,没想到现在我有机会看个实况。我也不能不想起契诃夫的小说《小公务员之死》,在那个小说里,小公务员在剧院看戏时打了个喷嚏,担心唾沫星子溅到前排的部长身上,他于是一而再再而三的道歉,终于部长大人被打扰到烦不胜烦,说了句“滚出去”,小公务员踉踉跄跄回到家,倒下就死了。我觉得应该把《项链》的情节加进来,比如说那个部长其实不是部长,只是看起来象部长,不过已经足以把小公务员吓死了。这样的死,才能比鸿毛还轻。

中国人也吓得不轻,据有的博客说,他们都好几天没睡觉的说。真是太有爱心觉悟了。我今天不想说Cho小时候英语不好上课念课文被全班同学嘲笑兼起哄“滚回中国去”的事情,也不想说那个据说是美国黑人诗人皇后的Nikki Giovanni把Cho从课堂上赶出去,在走廊见到Cho怒目而视,却在随后的追思会上大出风头兴高采烈的情节,也不想说美国社会动则将一切沉默的人、不合群的人打上自闭症的标签从此将他们与“正常”社会隔绝的来龙去脉,更不愿意提到Cho被要求服用抗抑郁药的令人发指的事实,对于这件事情,我想说的是,Cho的“心理”问题是美国的社会问题。血洗校园的罪行是不可饶恕的,尤其是持枪面对徒手的同学,但是对于Cho来说,在他举枪的那一刹那,一个正常人的理智已经没有了,整个世界只剩下他和“别人”,而别人在彼时彼地,全部成为了这个社会那股压迫力量的代表。

没在美国呆过,没在美国深入到社会中,是很难体会到种族这个概念的。当年关颖珊在盐湖城冬奥会上输给了Susan,整个美国一片兴高采烈,报纸的标题是“Michell was Defeated by American!”要知道,关颖珊祖辈都已经是在美国土地上出生的地道美国人了。她唯一不美国的是她的肤色。在这个意义上,我一直不能原谅宋美龄,她最被美国人所引用的话是“The only thing the oriental about me is my face!” What a bitch!

Apprentice里的James在会见斯瓦辛格的时候就说自己是韩国人,但是他的对手仍然说“当心那个Chinese man。”对于地理不好的美国南方种棉花的红脖子来说,即使是法国也是他们家门前那座山翻过去的那个国家,他搞得懂到伊朗人民不是阿拉伯人,南非不全是黑人吗?何况是韩国人和中国人?

前不久,在中西部某地的一家美国人经营的中餐馆,老板别出心裁地印出了广告:“我们所送的外卖,全是由Coolie用黄包车拉到你家门口的,我们坚持低价策略不容易啊,要知道,全世界的Chinaman都越来越不便宜了。”当地华人抗议,店主拒不道歉,坚称这是他的美国式幽默。事件没有下文。

枪击事件发生后,小树丛作恍然大悟状在追思会上讲话:

“One of the lessons of these tragedies is to make sure that when people see somebody or know somebody who is exhibiting abnormal behavior, you do something about it, to suggest that somebody take a look,” he said. “If you are a parent and your child is, you know, doing strange things on the Internet, pay attention to it and not be afraid to ask for help and not be afraid to say, ‘I am concerned about what I am seeing.’ ”

美国的愤青早在小树丛讲话以前就已经行动起来了。在美国“自由共和国”论坛上,当肇事者最初被怀疑是中国学生时,美国愤青发言了:

“Oh hell, it doesn’t matter. He was just some fella from a crappy country tryin’ to better his life, doin’ a job an American wouldn’t do, takin’ up a place at college that an American didn’t want.

As a matter of fact I believe I heard Whorealdo half-assedly blame us by saying (I’m paraphrasin’)that he was just a poor bloke from a foreign country that was just never made comfortable in our culture. We didn’t do enough to make him feel at home. Nobody held his hand and sung kumbaya........”

“There is an extreme imbalance in China because of all the baby girls who have been killed. Scroll down the above link to read about it.

Ever since I learned years ago about the female infanticide that has been going on in China, I knew that a day would come when there would be a crazed army of young men there. There wouldn’t be enough women for wives and there would be another purpose for their lives as soldiers, most likely against the U.S.”

看来华裔美人怕得有理。

小树丛当然是有所指的。今天在科罗拉多大学,一名从麻省阿默斯特高中毕业的小孩在课堂上发表了自己对枪击事件表示理解的观点后,被同学报警逮捕。我想指出一点,新修订的《爱国法案》里有一条Ideological Exclusion,就是对于美国政府认为学术观点不受欢迎的学者,有权利限制入境。你以为这只是说着玩的吗?2006年2月2日的Boston Globe发表了一篇题为Shutting out a Voice for Islam的社论,社论披露,2004年8月,国土安全部吊销了一名瑞士裔有埃及血统在Notre Dame任教的伊斯兰宗教学者的签证,致其无法入境去哈佛演讲。如果该学者宣传极端伊斯兰教义倒也罢了,偏偏他恰恰是伊斯兰世界中主张和平、容忍的非暴力伊斯兰改革分子,当年夏天他刚刚在巴塞罗那的世界宗教大会上作过关于宗教宽容和世界和平的演讲。我倒觉得,可能是美国政府担心伊斯兰人民听了他的宣传真的放下屠刀,美国军火商就师出无名了。

这么想想,小树丛同学的话能不让我感觉阴森森的么?遥想当年也有印地安酋长要求和殖民者休战,并且表示要做一个“好的印地安人”时,殖民军队的少校冷冷地说:“据我所知,所有好的印地安人都是死了的印地安人。”那以后发生的事情都成为了历史。Cho事件后的事情,在将来的地球人看来,也将是历史新的一页的。

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作者:sky 留言时间:2007-04-24 10:53:08
新贴的插图很有意思。是历史文物吧?China Wall 在那时是指什么?图中表现的排华情绪,让人感到并不完全是历史!
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作者:usagi 留言时间:2007-04-23 12:26:39
cool

this thing is heating up ! nice !

anyway, anyone here watcted Bill O'reilly show last week ?

tell me what do u think ?

oh, btw, most of the posts i did was in a rush, and didnt have time to check for errors etc. by the time i read it after posting it was too late for me to edit.

so, thanks for bearing with me last week, everyone
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作者:anon 留言时间:2007-04-22 21:42:06
About 1998 MSNBC's Headline "American Beats Out Kwan"

看见有人揪住Michelle Kwan来攻击博主,我好人做到底,就将自己知道的当时的情况说一说,谁让本人对历史感兴趣呢?

MSNBC的1998年奥林匹克头版标题赫然在目"American Beats Out Kwan".相继地方报纸象Seattle Time Sports的头版标题也都仿效,于是就有了迅速在美传开的"American Beats Kwan."这难道不能说明问题吗? 迫于华裔社会及舆论的压力,MSNBC做了道歉.道歉的原文在此:
"MSNBC apologizes for an error that may have been interpreted to
state that U.S. figure skater Michelle Kwan was not American.
The error appeared briefly in a scrolling marquee during
coverage of the Winter Olympics and was corrected quickly.
However, the marquee was picked up by MSNBCs push technology,
News Alert. So to some, it might have appeared the error was on
the site for a longer period or was not corrected. MSNBC
apologizes for the bulletins wording.


Edmundo Macedo
Executive Sports Editor"
这里说明了几点:
1. 此报道内容"was on the site for a longer period or was not corrected"
2. 道歉的人没有直接承认"Kwan is an American"
3. 道歉更没有指明他们未来会如何避免再发生这样的错误

道歉迫于压力,既成的报道所说明的事实不能因为包括匿名"游客"在内的某些人的视而不见而否认它的存在.

转当时一位华裔写给MSNBC的信(注:此信仅在此转载借以说明一些事实,不作其他任何用途.任何人不得由此再转载.谢谢!)

"gentlemen:
I am writing to register my deep disappointment and shock at your
recent headline, "American beats Kwan." What do the writers think Michelle Kwan is?! She is an AMERICAN citizen, not a foreigner. I recognize your apology but feel compelled to respond to such a display of ignorance.

I was born and raised in the United States. I have never lived anywhere but the United States. I do not speak a second language. I happen to be an AMERICAN of Asian ancestry. I am an elected member of the Seattle City Council and can only be grateful that msn was not operating when I was elected, for I fear your headline might have been something along the lines of, " American citizen defeated by Choe." Americans represent several different ethnicities and races and should be recognized by the media as such.

Your headline was a reminder to me that there is much work that
continues to be done across this country on the subject on racial
literacy, even in this state where we elected a governor - an AMERICAN
governor of Chinese ancestry - by the largest margin ever. I was
shocked and saddened to see such an unenlightened state of journalism
in my own back yard.


Signed,

xxx xxx(Anon's note: 姓名隐去)

An AMERICAN
Seattle City Council member"
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作者:KryingLove 留言时间:2007-04-22 21:21:00
To Sky:

谢谢 "哭泣的爱”这个译名,很喜欢。你学心理学的吧,对心理的把握很准确。Resillence确实是个重要的心里素质,得多下点功夫。一个人一生真不容易,要学多少东东啊。

对于日常生活中的小偏见,我想最好的办法是nicely and humerously kick back, 而不是take in. 学会以玩笑的方式给人提意见,是个大学问,一直没有把握。

To Carfieldcat:

谢谢回贴及提供的有益信息。读了你附的文摘,大长见识。原来不知还有honory white这样的分类,这完全是对其他种族的羞辱。

面对高度发达的西方(white)文明,我们都问过自己为甚麽比人家差。以前我以为是东西方的文化或思维方式不同所致,现在我更倾向于attension(注意力,目标)不同所致。 有一本书“关于人文事物的科学”其中论述attension实际上是一种资源,只能用于有限的方向。失之毫厘就会差之千里。以后有时间切搓。你要是能起个头,我们也好跟贴。

谢谢讨论,这个周末很有意义。谢谢!
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作者:chex 留言时间:2007-04-22 20:33:26
说美国不好并不意味这立刻要作出行动要回国才说不好,因为很多人只是描述自己的感受,至于去留自己心里都有一本帐,最终目的可能就在心里已经决定了,只是时间问题,呵呵,干吗象有些人那样干点事还得给自己找辄.
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作者:frost 留言时间:2007-04-22 19:25:49
楼上的,到底有多少美国电台、报纸、电视批评那篇报道呢?给个数字吧。
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作者:游客 留言时间:2007-04-22 19:01:44
"当年关颖珊在盐湖城冬奥会上输给了Susan,整个美国一片兴高采烈,报纸的标题是“Michell was Defeated by American!”" -- 别在这胡说八道了!你知道事后有多少美国人批评那报道吗?你知道事后美国有多少电台,电视评论家批评那报道吗?什么“整个美国一片兴高采烈”,简直是一派胡言!不懂你为什么要在这煽动种族主义呢?!
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-22 18:29:31
To KryingLove,

我非常享受和你的讨论,而且也认真反思了我的一些观点,我期待着在未来做一些微调。在此时此刻,我想我更乐于放下目前的分歧。我们中国人有句话叫做求同存异,我想,我们的出发点都是一样的,只不过我们看待一个问题大视角不同。

我很高兴你能告诉我你的学科背景,我感觉在两种文化中(使用C.P.Snow的区分:科学文化和人文文化)需要更多的交流。至少我从这个对话中了解了你的立场、视角和观点。这也使我想起了国内教育的一个缺失,那就是在本科阶段的General Education的深度和广度不够,也就是说学生专业化的阶段过早提前了,一个很严重的后果是文科学生缺乏科学态度和方法训练,而理科学生缺乏人文视野和社会关怀。这当然依然是逃不脱一些历史规律:几乎所有的发展中国家在经济增长阶段走的都是技术官僚主义(Technocracy)的道路。

我钦佩你资助贫困学生的善举,我的建议是你可以在你的家乡做这些事情(如果那里也是经济欠发达地区的话),这样以来你能对结果有直接的观察和监督,避免资金被无耻的腐败官员挪用。我对美国的公共图书馆系统钦佩之至,他日若能有机会影响决策,我当把在国内尤其是农村地区建议免费公共图书馆作为最紧迫的议事日程。所以,如果你有资金,你可以考虑这个提议,哪怕在村子里建个小的图书室,订上十几份科学普及杂志或者画报也好。我猜想你可能是个faculty,对于我这样的穷学生,我能做的只是尽量通过www.ocef.com上的Amazon连接进去买书,这样,Amazon能够把购物款的4%-8%交给OCEF资助中国贫困地区的学生,而你本人没有任何额外的付出。Fatwallet.com的fat cash也可以捐给OCEF。我也建议所有的网友通过这种方式进行帮助。

我也很高兴你能入选百人计划,不管国内的学术风气如何浮躁,希望你能尽量做点实事吧。对于我个人,我想在我本专业里能多做点Social Justice方面的研究和社会工作,最希望的是能培养这方面的social workers,我期待有更多的人关注我们国内面临的社会问题,更好地监督执法部门的执法过程。我想,我们看问题的视角不一样,但我们努力的方向应该是一样的。

我真的很感谢和你的对话,因为我觉得在这个对话的过程中我学习的是对于异见的宽容,学习的是如何理性地建设性的讨论一个问题,这个经历是无价的,尽管我急躁冒进的毛病未来肯定还会犯,但我会想起这次的讨论。

最后,我希望你,以及任何其他感兴趣于这个话题的人,如果有时间的话,能够读完下面这篇文章,或许会有各自的认识吧。

Title: Colorblind to the Reality of Race in America., By: Haney López, Ian F., Chronicle of Higher Education, 00095982, 11/3/2006, Vol. 53, Issue 11
Database: Academic Search Premier

Colorblind to the Reality of Race in America
Section: The Chronicle Review
How will race as a social practice evolve in the United States over the next few decades? The American public, and indeed many scholars, increasingly believe that the country is leaving race and racism behind. Some credit Brown v. Board of Education, the revered 1954 U.S. Supreme Court decision pronouncing segregated schools unequal, and the broad civil-rights movement of which the decision was a part, with turning the nation away from segregation and toward equality. Others point to changing demographics, emphasizing the rising number of mixed-race marriages and the increasing Asian and Hispanic populations that are blurring the historic black-white divide.

My sense of our racial future differs. Not only do I fear that race will continue to fundamentally skew American society over the coming decades, but I worry that the belief in the diminished salience of race makes that more likely rather than less. I suspect that the laws supposedly protecting against racial discrimination are partly to blame, for they no longer contribute to racial justice but instead legitimate continued inequality. We find ourselves now in the midst of a racial era marked by what I term "colorblind white dominance," in which a public consensus committed to formal antiracism deters effective remediation of racial inequality, protecting the racial status quo while insulating new forms of racism and xenophobia.

The Jefferson County school district, in Kentucky, covers Louisville and surrounding suburbs. A target of decades of litigation to eradicate Jim Crow school segregation and its vestiges, the district has since 2001 voluntarily pursued efforts to maintain what is now one of the most integrated school systems in the country. But not everyone supports those efforts, especially when they involve taking race into consideration in pupil assignments. In 2004 a white lawyer named Teddy B. Gordon ran for a seat on the Jefferson County School Board, promising to end endeavors to maintain integrated schools. He finished dead last, behind three other candidates. Indifferent to public repudiation, he is back -- this time in the courtroom. Gordon's argument is seductively simple: Brown forbids all governmental uses of race, even if designed to achieve or maintain an integrated society.

He has already lost at the trial level and before an appellate court, as have two other sets of plaintiffs challenging similar integration-preserving efforts by school districts in Seattle and in Lynn, Mass. But Gordon and the conservative think tanks and advocacy groups that back him, including the self-styled Center for Equal Opportunity, are not without hope. To begin with, over the past three decades the courts have come ever closer to fully embracing a colorblind Constitution -- colorblind in the sense of disfavoring all uses of race, irrespective of whether they are intended to perpetuate or ameliorate racial oppression. More immediately, last June the Supreme Court voted to review the Louisville and Seattle cases -- Meredith v. Jefferson County Board of Education and Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District.

Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, is thrilled. As he gleefully noted in The National Review, there's an old saw that the court does not hear cases it plans to affirm. The Bush administration, too, supports Gordon and his efforts. The U.S. solicitor general recently submitted a friend-of-the-court brief urging the justices to prevent school districts across the country from paying attention to race.

At issue is a legally backed ideology of colorblindness that could have implications beyond schools -- for higher education and the wider society. Yes, in a narrowly tailored decision three years ago, the Supreme Court allowed the University of Michigan to consider race as one factor in law-school admissions. But since then, conservative advocacy groups have used the threat of lawsuits to intimidate many institutions into halting race-based college financial-aid and orientation programs, as well as graduate stipends and fellowships, and those groups are now taking aim at faculty hiring procedures. This month Michigan voters will decide whether to amend the state constitution to ban racial and gender preferences wherever practiced. And looming on the horizon are renewed efforts to enact legislation forbidding the federal and state governments from collecting statistics that track racial disparities, efforts that are themselves part of a broader campaign to expunge race from the national vocabulary.

Gordon predicts that if he prevails, Louisville schools will rapidly resegregate. He is sanguine about the prospect. "We're a diverse society, a multiethnic society, a colorblind society," he told The New York Times. "Race is history."

But the past is never really past, especially not when one talks about race and the law in the United States. We remain a racially stratified country, though for some that constitutes an argument for rather than against colorblindness. Given the long and sorry history of racial subordination, there is tremendous rhetorical appeal to Justice John Marshall Harlan's famous dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson, the 1896 case upholding segregated railway cars: "Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens."

Contemporary proponents of colorblindness almost invariably draw a straight line from that dissent to their own impassioned advocacy for being blind to race today. But in doing so, partisans excise Harlan's acknowledgment of white superiority in the very paragraph in which he extolled colorblindness: "The white race deems itself to be the dominant race in this country. And so it is, in prestige, in achievements, in education, in wealth and in power. So, I doubt not, it will continue to be for all time." That omission obscures a more significant elision: Harlan objected not to all governmental uses of race, but to those he thought would unduly oppress black people.

As viewed by Harlan and the court, the central question was where to place limits on government support for the separation of racial groups that were understood to be unequal by nature (hence Harlan's comfortable endorsement of white superiority). He and the majority agreed that the state could enforce racial separation in the "social" but not in the "civil" arenas; they differed on the contours of the spheres. Harlan believed that segregated train cars limited the capacity of black people to participate as full citizens in civic life, while the majority saw such segregation only as a regulation of social relations sanctioned by custom. The scope of the civil arena mattered so greatly precisely because state exclusions from public life threatened to once again reduce the recently emancipated to an inferior caste defined by law.

For the first half of the 20th century, colorblindness represented the radical and wholly unrealized aspiration of dismantling de jure racial subordination. Thus Thurgood Marshall, as counsel to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in the late 1940s and early 1950s, cited Harlan's celebration of colorblindness to argue that racial distinctions are "contrary to our Constitution and laws." But neither society nor the courts embraced colorblindness when doing so might have sped the demise of white supremacy. Even during the civil-rights era, colorblindness as a strategy for racial emancipation did not take hold. Congress and the courts dismantled Jim Crow segregation and proscribed egregious forms of private discrimination in a piecemeal manner, banning only the most noxious misuses of race, not any reference to race whatsoever.

In the wake of the civil-rights movement's limited but significant triumphs, the relationship between colorblindness and racial reform changed markedly. The greatest potency of colorblindness came to lie in preserving, rather than challenging, the racial status quo. When the end of explicit race-based subordination did not eradicate stubborn racial inequalities, progressives increasingly recognized the need for state and private actors to intervene along racial lines. Rather than call for colorblindness, they began to insist on the need for affirmative race-conscious remedies. In that new context, colorblindness appealed to those opposing racial integration. Enshrouded with the moral raiment of the civil-rights movement, colorblindness provided cover for opposition to racial reform.

Within a year of Brown, Southern school districts and courts had recognized that they could forestall integration by insisting that the Constitution allowed them to use only "race neutral" means to end segregation -- school-choice plans that predictably produced virtually no integration whatsoever. In 1965 a federal court in South Carolina put it squarely: "The Constitution is color-blind; it should no more be violated to attempt integration than to preserve segregation."

Wielding the ideal of colorblindness as a sword, in the past three decades racial conservatives on the Supreme Court have increasingly refought the battles lost during the civil-rights era, cutting back on protections against racial discrimination as well as severely limiting race-conscious remedies. In several cases in the 1970s -- including North Carolina State Board of Education v. Swann, upholding school-assignment plans, and Regents of the University of California v. Bakke -- the court ruled that the need to redress the legacy of segregation made strict colorblindness impossible. But as the 1980s went on, in other cases -- McCleskey v. Kemp, which upheld Georgia's death penalty despite uncontroverted statistical evidence that African-Americans convicted of murder were 22 times as likely to be sentenced to death if their victims were white rather than black, and City of Richmond v. Croson, which rejected a city affirmative-action program steering some construction dollars to minority-owned companies despite the fact that otherwise only two-thirds of 1 percent of city contracts went to minority companies in a city 50 percent African-American -- the court presented race as a phenomenon called into existence just when someone employed a racial term. Discrimination existed only but every time someone used racial language. Thus the court found no harm in Georgia's penal system, because no evidence surfaced of a specific bad actor muttering racial epithets, while it espied racism in Richmond's affirmative-action program because it set aside contracts for "minorities."

That approach ignores the continuing power of race as a society-altering category. The civil-rights movement changed the racial zeitgeist of the nation by rendering illegitimate all explicit invocations of white supremacy, a shift that surely marked an important step toward a more egalitarian society. But it did not bring into actual existence that ideal, as white people remain dominant across virtually every social, political, and economic domain. In 2003 the poverty rate was 24 percent among African-Americans, 23 percent among Latinos, and 8 percent among white people. That same year, an estimated 20 percent of African-Americans and 33 percent of Latinos had no health insurance, while 11 percent of white people were uninsured. Discrepancies in incarceration rates are particularly staggering, with African-American men vastly more likely to spend time in prison than white men are.

Or forget the numbers and recall for a moment the graphic parade of images from Hurricane Katrina. Or consider access to country clubs and gated communities, in-group preferences for jobs and housing, the moral certainty shared by many white folks regarding their civic belonging and fundamental goodness. Or, to tie back to Louisville, reflect on what you already know about the vast, racially correlated disparities in resources available to public (and still more to private) schools across the country. Racial dominance by white people continues as a central element of our society.

What may be changing, however, is how membership in the white group is defined. The term "white" has a far more complicated -- and fluid -- history in the United States than people commonly recognize. For most of our history, whiteness stood in contrast to the nonwhite identities imposed upon Africans, American Indians, Mexican peoples of the Southwest, and Asian immigrants, marking one pole in the racial hierarchy. Simultaneously, however, putative "racial" divisions separated Europeans, so that in the United States presumptions of gross racial inferiority were removed from Germans only in the 1840s through 1860s, the Irish in the 1850s through 1880s, and Eastern and Southern Europeans in the 1900s to 1920s. The melding of various European groups into the monolithic, undifferentiated "white" category we recognize today is a recent innovation, only fully consolidated in the mid-20th century. Now white identity may be expanding to include persons and groups with ancestors far beyond Europe.

Perhaps we should distinguish here among three sorts of white identity. Consider first persons who are "fully white," in the sense that, with all of the racially relevant facts about them widely known, they would generally be considered white by the community at large. (Obviously, racial identity is a matter not of biology but of social understandings, although those may give great weight to purportedly salient differences in morphology and ancestry.) In contrast to that group, there have long been those "passing as white" -- people whose physical appearance allowed them to claim a white identity when social custom would have assigned them to a nonwhite group had their ancestry been widely known. Of people of Irish and Jewish descent in the United States, for example, one might say that while initially some were able to pass as white, now all are fully white.

Today a new group is emerging, perhaps best described as "honorary whites." Apartheid South Africa first formally crafted this identity: Seeking to engage in trade and commerce with nations cast as inferior by apartheid logic, particularly Japan, South Africa extended to individuals from such countries the status of honorary white people, allowing them to travel, reside, relax, and conduct business in South African venues that were otherwise strictly "whites only." Persons who pass as white hide racially relevant parts of their identity; honorary whites are extended the status of whiteness despite the public recognition that, from a bioracial perspective, they are not fully white.

In the United States, honorary-white status seems increasingly to exist for certain people and groups. The quintessential example is certain Asian-Americans, particularly East Asians. Although Asians have long been racialized as nonwhite as a matter of law and social practice, the model-minority myth and professional success have combined to free some Asian-Americans from the most pernicious negative beliefs regarding their racial character. In part this trend represents a shift toward a socially based, as opposed to biologically based, definition of race. Individuals and communities with the highest levels of acculturation, achievement, and wealth increasingly find themselves functioning as white, at least as measured by professional integration, residential patterns, and intermarriage rates.

Latinos also have access to honorary-white identity, although their situation differs from that of Asian-Americans. Unlike the latter, and also unlike African-Americans, Latinos in the United States have long been on the cusp between white and nonwhite. Despite pervasive and often violent racial prejudice against Mexicans in the Southwest and Puerto Ricans and other Hispanic groups elsewhere, the most elite Latin Americans in the United States have historically been accepted as fully white. With no clear identity under the continental theory of race (which at its most basic identifies blacks as from Africa, whites from Europe, reds from the Americas, and yellows from Asia), and with a tremendous range of somatic features marking this heterogeneous population, there has long been relatively more room for the use of social rather than strictly biological factors in the imputation of race to particular Hispanic individuals and groups.

It seems likely that an increasing number of Latinos -- those who have fair features, material wealth, and high social status, aided also by Anglo surnames -- will both claim and be accorded a position in U.S. society as fully white. Simultaneously, many more -- similarly situated in terms of material and status position, but perhaps with slightly darker features or a surname or accent suggesting Latin-American origins -- will become honorary whites. Meanwhile, the majority of Latinos will continue to be relegated to nonwhite categories.

The continuing evolution in who counts as white is neither particularly startling nor especially felicitous. Not only have racial categories and ideologies always mutated, but race has long turned on questions of wealth, professional attainment, and social position. A developing scholarship now impressively demonstrates that even during and immediately after slavery, at a time when racial identity in the United States was presumably most rigidly fixed in terms of biological difference and descent, and even in the hyperformal legal setting of the courtroom, determinations of racial identity often took place on the basis of social indicia like the nature of one's employment or one's choice of sexual partners.

Nor will categories like black, brown, white, yellow, and red soon disappear. Buttressed by the continued belief in continental racial divisions, physical features those divisions supposedly connote will remain foundational to racial classification. The stain of African ancestry -- so central to the elaboration of race in the United States -- ensures a persistent special stigma for black people. Honorary-white status will be available only to the most exceptional -- and the most light-skinned -- African-Americans, and on terms far more restrictive than those on which whiteness will be extended to many Latinos and Asian-Americans.

Those many in our society who are darker, poorer, more identifiably foreign will continue to suffer the poverty, marginalization, immiseration, incarceration, and exclusion historically accorded to those whose skin and other features socially mark them as nonwhite. Even under a redefined white category, racial hierarchy will continue as the links are strengthened between nonwhite identity and social disadvantage on the one hand, and whiteness and privilege on the other. Under antebellum racial logic, those black people with the fairest features were sometimes described as "light, bright, and damn near white." If today we switch out "damn near" for "honorary" and fold in a few other minorities, how much has really changed?

In the face of continued racial hierarchy, it is crucial that we understand the colorblind ideology at issue in the school cases before the Supreme Court. "In the eyes of government, we are just one race here," Justice Antonin Scalia intoned in 1995. "It is American." That sentiment is stirring as an aspiration, but disheartening as a description of reality, and even more so as a prescription for racial policies. All persons of good will aspire to a society free from racial hierarchy. We should embrace colorblindness -- in the sense of holding it up as an ideal. But however far the civil-rights struggle has moved us, we remain far from a racially egalitarian utopia.

In this context, the value of repudiating all governmental uses of race must depend on a demonstrated ability to remedy racial hierarchy. Colorblindness as a policy prescription merits neither fealty nor moral stature by virtue of the attractiveness of colorblindness as an ideal. In the hands of a Thurgood Marshall, who sought to end Jim Crow segregation and to foster an integrated society, colorblindness was a transformative, progressive practice. But when Teddy Gordon, Roger Clegg, the Bush administration, and the conservative justices on the Supreme Court call for banning governmental uses of race, they aim to end the efforts of local majorities to respond constructively to racial inequality. In so doing, they are making their version of colorblindness a reactionary doctrine.

Contemporary colorblindness is a set of understandings -- buttressed by law and the courts, and reinforcing racial patterns of white dominance -- that define how people comprehend, rationalize, and act on race. As applied, however much some people genuinely believe that the best way to get beyond racism is to get beyond race, colorblindness continues to retard racial progress. It does so for a simple reason: It focuses on the surface, on the bare fact of racial classification, rather than looking down into the nature of social practices. It gets racism and racial remediation exactly backward, and insulates new forms of race baiting.

White dominance continues with few open appeals to race. Consider the harms wrought by segregated schools today. Schools in predominantly white suburbs are far more likely to have adequate buildings, teachers, and books, while the schools serving mainly minority children are more commonly underfinanced, unsafe, and in a state of disrepair. Such harms acccumulate, encouraging white flight to avoid the expected deterioration in schools and the violence that is supposedly second nature to "them," only to precipitate the collapse in the tax base that in fact ensures a decline not only in schools but also in a range of social services. Such material differences in turn buttress seemingly common-sense ideas about disparate groups, so that we tend to see pristine schools and suburbs as a testament to white accomplishment and values. When violence does erupt, it is laid at the feet of alienated and troubled teenagers, not a dysfunctional culture. Yet we see the metal detectors guarding entrances to minority schoolhouses (harbingers of the prison bars to come) as evidence not of the social dynamics of exclusion and privilege, but of innate pathologies. No one need talk about the dynamics of privilege and exclusion. No one need cite white-supremacist arguments nor openly refer to race -- race exists in the concrete of our gated communities and barrios, in government policies and programs, in cultural norms and beliefs, and in the way Americans lead their lives.

Colorblindness badly errs when it excuses racially correlated inequality in our society as unproblematic so long as no one uses a racial epithet. It also egregiously fails when it tars every explicit reference to race. To break the interlocking patterns of racial hierarchy, there is no other way but to focus on, talk about, and put into effect constructive policies explicitly engaged with race. To be sure, inequality in wealth is a major and increasing challenge for our society, but class is not a substitute for a racial analysis -- though, likewise, racial oppression cannot be lessened without sustained attention to poverty. It's no accident that the poorest schools in the country warehouse minorities, while the richest serve whites; the national education crisis reflects deeply intertwined racial and class politics. One does not deny the imbrication of race and class by insisting on the importance of race-conscious remedies: The best strategies for social repair will give explicit attention to race as well as to other sources of inequality, and to their complex interrelationship.

The claim that race and racism exist only when specifically mentioned allows colorblindness to protect a new racial politics from criticism. The mobilization of public fears along racial lines has continued over the past several decades under the guise of interlinked panics about criminals, welfare cheats, terrorists, and -- most immediately in this political season -- illegal immigrants. Attacks ostensibly targeting "culture" or "behavior" rather than "race" now define the diatribes of today's racial reactionaries. Samuel P. Huntington's jeremiad against Latino immigration in his book Who Are We?: The Challenges to America's National Identity rejects older forms of white supremacy, but it promotes the idea of a superior Anglo-Protestant culture. Patrick J. Buchanan defends his latest screed attacking "illegal immigrants," State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America, against the charge of racism by insisting that he's indifferent to race but outraged by those with different cultures who violate our laws. My point is not simply that culture and behavior provide coded language for old prejudices, but that colorblindness excuses and insulates this recrudescence of xenophobia by insisting that only the explicit use of racial nomenclature counts as racism.

Contemporary colorblindness loudly proclaims its antiracist pretensions. To actually move toward a racially egalitarian society, however, requires that we forthrightly respond to racial inequality today. The alternative is the continuation of colorblind white dominance. As Justice Harry Blackmun enjoined in defending affirmative action in Bakke: "In order to get beyond racism, we must first take account of race. There is no other way."

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By Ian F. Haney López

Ian F. Haney López is a professor at the Boalt Hall School of Law at the University of California at Berkeley. New York University Press has just issued a 10th-anniversary edition of his White by Law: The Legal Construction of Race, with a new chapter on colorblind white dominance.
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作者:sky 留言时间:2007-04-22 14:18:30
I love it! Love it! Love it! I love this civilized in-depth discussions!
Hope it keeps on this way.

回D版加菲猫:
牛人?不好意思。算是“半边酷”哈,博客没有 手机还是有滴,很原始的那种。车胎爆了可以求救。
煮酒谈史论今这个念头是满诱人的(尽管对冰淇淋比对酒是更感兴趣,呵呵),可惜目前正和网瘾作斗争,虽一时半会儿戒不了网,暂时还是打游击,不建立根据地吧。不然,那欠下的公事私事单子越拖越长,不好交差。绛紫吧,D版
继续开拓新大陆,sky会继续常来打扰。

对网友anon作出的对一些针对版主观点的批评意见之非常中肯的三条分析,又要大呼一声:佩服!

看得出网友“哭泣的爱”,是勤于思考的。你的故事讲到了儿童成长过程中的一个重要因素--韧性,resilience, 或者称抗挫力。同样的困境,会使一个孩子倒下,而使另外一个坚持下来,最终取得成功。这就是抗挫力的不同。韧性是同什么因素相关呢?有遗传 (nature) 和环境 (nurture) 的因素。更重要的是环境因素,也就是父母的爱,同伴的友谊,学校的关切,社区的支持,等等等等。

这里提到的社区的支持,是与racism, discrimination, and prejudice 是格格不入的。种族主义以及歧视偏见是公平社会的毒素。容忍它们的存在,是容忍人类自绝。如果一个人因为自己从未感受到不公平的对待,因而认为没有必要反对歧视,这个人不是过于自私就是对同伴的不公平遭遇麻木不仁。

如果一个人因为自己的韧性强,遇到不公平对待,可以以“天将降大任于斯人也必先....”那样韩信一番,退一步海阔天空,好,我服了你。可这只是个案。其他人也许没有这般海量,他们仍然要求讨回公道,我得说,他们是有权去讨的。没有公平就没有正义,对于遭受不平的少数族裔之鸣不平,社会各界应给予支持。否则,让不义的行为继续下去,社会没有改进的时候。

对社会公道失去信心,才会忍受屈辱,and that, will cost your psychological well-being.
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作者:KryingLove 留言时间:2007-04-22 12:30:30
To Carfieldcat and Anon:

Thank you very much for the responses and comments. I am amazed by the volume of books you guys have read on the topic and how much you remember all the details. Since I move to the US, I have not had enough time and language skill to read beyond my area of study. This is a huge lose for me since I have quite broad interest and taste beyond my science discpline. If you happen to be in an area of science or engineering, I'd like to be your humble friend. Keeping discussion with you and the group here will help to keep my nurons alive. If you happen to be in an area of social science, please consider my posts as a grass-root voice. You may need this kind of base touch to build your theory because the ultimate purpose and end user/practioner of a social science is people, each individual person.

The Virginia Tech mass killing struck me hard. First of all, we Chinese have a reason to feel insecure as Passer-by had put it. Secondly, it triggered me to think how to prevent or avoid this kind of thing to happen in our life. My experence tells me that psycological health is the key. Social econmical, racial, and even sexual reasons are parts of the equation. But, the direct road leading to a tragedy is usually the perception of humilliation, hopelessness, and despair. To this end, I think that both society/environment and the individual are to blame. We need to build a society that is fair, hopeful, and people in it are more caring for others. On the other hand, we need to build stronger nerves in our children so they are more tolerant and forgiving as well as caring others. I think feeling secure and being loved in a good way for a child to grow healthy psycologically. This is the reason that I do not want to get racial issue into their lives. I talked with my kids after we heared the VT tragedy. I also called my nephews and niece who are in college in China. I said to them that this is an isolated case, no racial issue involved. Especially to my nephews and niece, I had took the opportunity to lecture them on how to cope with prejudices they face everyday. As much as I am trying to support them, they are still very poor village kids on today's Chinese colleges campuses.

As for whether go back to China or stay in the US, my attitude is to help your people (your family, your relatives, your village, or your country) as much as you can beside living your own happy life. At this stage, China does not need any of us to sacrify our living standard to serve the country. My way of servicing is to support my father, support my siblings' kids to go to college, and being a visiting scholar (在纳入百人计划) in the Chinese Academy of Sciences. I am planning to set up a scholarship in my village school. I am trying to find a way so my contribution can be tax deductable. If anyone here knows a way please let me know.

It is great exchanging ideas with you. Wish you a relaxing and pleasent weekend.
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作者:sohu 留言时间:2007-04-22 10:11:43
一个有趣的现象是:驻韩美军士兵强奸当地居民的事时有发生,韩国没有如此全国性
的行动,在美国就更不被关注。
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作者:anon 留言时间:2007-04-22 09:57:00
D版的回帖写得非常好.可以看出博主是希望通过文字建立起健康的辩论,所以认同或者不认同博主观点的人,最好不要进行人身攻击,大家就事论事,谈的应该是问题本身.

差不多从这个博客一开张,我就跟着看博主的每一篇文章.在我为博主的观点叫好时,也看到不少的跟贴在对博主进行人身攻击,甚至漫骂.这里进行人身攻击的人大都有先入为主的假设:
1. 凡批评美国的人肯定无视存在于中国社会的同样的丑陋问题;
2. 凡分析美国社会弊病的人就应该滚回中国;
3. 凡揭示移民社会群体意识缺陷的人在世界观甚至精神上都不健康

个人认为象博主这样有独立思考意识的人已经不多了,原因正如博主回贴中引用的萨义德的话:大部分人的个体思维已内化了主流意识.所以我支持博主引领大家进行严肃的讨论.
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作者:黑山老猫 留言时间:2007-04-22 09:13:33
haoxue:

请问什么是正确的世界观. 您对党治下的中国有如此多的不满意但却拿着党的基本观点来要求别人.很矛盾啊.偶从小学起就被要求树立正确的世界观. 没有这玩意, 偶的少先队都不让入. 偶认为除了极端主义, 大家的世界观都是平等的. 所以不能随便说某人的世界观(或者价值观)有什么问题. 你非要实施一个什么网络世界观准入制度, 那别上网来了, 回家找份美国版或中国版人民日报看算了.

至于北京人上海人XX人歧视问题, 话题太老了. 偶认为解放后出现的北京人上海人XX人歧视问题是共产党把古代沿用数千年的致仕还乡制度给废除的原因. 再说现在你在北京找一个所谓pure"北京人"真很不容易,不信您试试. 所以试图挑起国内的地区歧视族群歧视话题很无聊.

最后是英语,有时候看一些用词既不考究又语法错误满篇的英语东东真的不爽. 我不相信输入中文就那么费劲? 母语就真的比外语难张嘴? 呵呵. 您说呢?
当然有些人非要说自己英文比中文好. 那也行. 在internet上咱也不能拦着你不是?
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-22 09:11:48
To Huaxue,

(1)我可以不可以批评美国?如果因为我是一个中国人就不能批评美国的话,那我没有什么好说的。如果我有权批评美国的话,那么是不是在每次我批评美国前都应该把所有中国的问题全先检讨一遍?我好象没有说过中国没有歧视吗?我不但同意你在这个问题上的认识,事实上我觉得中国目前最需要的一部法律就是《反歧视法》,不但应有反歧视法,执法部门还应该有due process,但是问题是在我们制定这样一部法律的时候,我们必须得借鉴美国——这个你们心目中最自由最平等的国家的经验,我没有看出有任何必要不能研究美国的社会问题。

(2)我不明白我回不回国和我讨论问题有什么相干。欢迎你继续猜测我是否回国,但是这不是一个很好的对我进行个人攻击的理由。我欢迎象Kryinglove这样的批评,他/她是严肃的,我的回复也是认真的。我不欢迎别人用英语发言,是我个人的偏好。我在美国过得好不好,似乎不是你用来揣测我探讨美国社会问题动机的理由。只想告诉你,我过得还不错,就不劳你关心了。

谢谢你夸奖我有才。这话我爱听。
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-22 08:55:10
To Kryinglove,

非常感谢你的详细评论,而且我尊重你的意见,甚至同意你的许多观点。另外,你的英语非常好。

说点题外话。关于读不读书的问题,我倒想起了萨义德的一件事,我估计很多人都知道他不但是美国东方学的创始人在学术界享有盛名,而且他也是巴解组织的执委。有一次他演讲的时候一个巴勒斯坦人站起来批评他关于巴以冲突的观点是创造新的种族仇恨而不是用爱去征服世界,而且拒绝萨义德建议的有关中东问题起源的读物。我记不清萨义德的原话,好象是这样的:“这正是你错误的根源,因为你已经内化了所有的主流意识形态,而且你拒绝发现新的事实去修订你的观点。”

我赞赏你在逆境中崛起的勇气而且钦佩你取得的成就。个人来说,我个人的经历尽管和你有相似之处但似乎一直很顺利,即使在美国,简言之,从我的履历看来,在我个人生活的任何一个方面,我都不可能对种族问题非常敏感,我更不应该是一个反美的左愤。我更应该由衷地赞美这个国家。

然而我不愿意从我个人的经历和角度出发看待所有的问题。我想这是我们之间最大的区别,我也不认为仅有“爱”能够足够去克服所有的问题。我在牛虻那篇博客里已经谈过这个问题了,区别在于你认为这个世界(不仅是美国,也包括中国在内的所有国家)是否公正,如果不公正的话,你是仅仅愿意成为一个“成功的人”呢?还是要挺身而出为了人类一个更美好的明天去使改变发生,即使这意味着牺牲你自己?

中国最早赴美的100名幼童之中,有一个最终抗拒清廷召回的命令拒绝回国。他完成了在耶鲁的学习以后娶了一个美国姑娘为妻,以后他拒绝他的儿子学习中文,力图让他的儿子彻底忘记所有关于中国的一切,只是为了让他的儿子不必经历所有他经历的一切。他很象你,你们相信,只要足够努力顽强,你们是能够克服所有种族以及其他障碍的。我也相信这一点,但是你有没有想过在你们单个成功的故事背后还有更大的一个黑暗的背景?

尽管我不会留在美国,但是我确实关注在美的中国人的前途。Usagi提到了affirmative action中亚裔不被认可为少数族裔的事实,这恰恰是在美华人即将面临的尴尬处境。您有孩子,您的孩子在申请大学的时候必须比其他少数族裔的孩子要多1000多分。请搜索华裔学生起诉普林斯顿的案子。在加州,由于华裔学生学术成绩领先于白人学生,白人家长已经将中国父母集体告上了法庭,起诉他们对子女的教育太严苛。

这一切的根源在于在美华人,包括你的一个认识上的误区,就是努力弃除弱势族裔的心态,所以在LA反移民法游行时你们不出头,因为你们认为自己总体受教育水平高,能够合法地在美国居留在美国,你们甚至认为如果非法移民被大赦了,你们多年求学辛苦熬绿卡的努力被打了折扣。Annon开的书单里有一本Mississippi Chinese,我倒觉得颇值得一读,第一批中国到Mississippi delta的中国人是靠黑人的帮助得以在棉花地里存活下来的,等到他们经济状况得到改善,他们的诉求是尽力融入白人社区,子女进白人的学校,而他们仍然要挣黑人社区的钱。

我们都知道黑人不喜欢华人,华人也讨厌黑人,但是如果你读了Mississippi Chinese等书以后,你也许会了解那种被抛弃和背叛的感觉。今天的移民法改革华人的观望也可能造就日后华人与西裔的隔阂。白人伤害了任何有色人种,包括黑人,最终这种伤害是可以弥补的,白人能够得到宽恕,而有色人种之间的伤害,是永远无法弥补的。所以,不要试图认为自己保持color blind相信自我奋斗就能够解决问题的。

歧视和种族主义是有根本区别的,我已经在Imus和Duke那篇文章里说过了。区别在于这个社会是否系统化了某一种歧视。我也反对动不动就拿种族主义说事,但是对于明显的歧视案例,你可以假装看不见它,但是有良知的人将承认它,有勇气的人将为改变它而战斗。
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作者:huaxue 留言时间:2007-04-22 08:11:32
CARFIELDCAT很有才, 但我觉得他的世界观有问题.中国的歧视就不严重?北京,上海人觉得全中国其他地方全是农村. 中国经济的发展很大程度上是靠剥削廉价劳力获得的,90%的农村人口未享受公民待遇,整个人文精神的沦丧, 功利主义,奴隶哲学盛行,诚实成了无用的代名词.教育,医疗(不说大部分人口根本看不起病,享受不到起码的医疗,太多急诊病人没钱而被被据之门外),住房,贪污,污染,民主...太多问题,还有对广大弱势力阶层的欺压.整个国家人文教育的极度匮乏.
我不认为人口可以作为借口, 日本的人口密度比中国还高. 西方包括美国是有各种歧视. 但不可否认他的整体文明程度(对人权的重视,整体的人文关怀和公平程度,国际主义的程度..)是远超中国的.哈佛是17世纪建的吧, 那时的美国人可是在蛮荒之地为生存而奋斗,但仍然知道教育的重要.
人性本就有善和恶两面,就看整个社会能营造一个什么样的氛围,形成一个什么样的主体的道德标准和价值取向.博主不欢迎别人用英语留言, 未免太小家子气了,所谓海纳百川,有容乃大. 其实很多人在美国还是过得很愉快(比在中国受的待遇要公平).
我当然希望中国能强大, 但以一种怨妇的心态(不管在中国还是美国)是不可能实现的.中国现在需要对现实的批判,需要公民意识和道德意识的觉醒. 否则会有很大问题.美国当然也有问题,但应用正常的心态去对待和争取.应该说美国作为一个移民国家还是比较宽容的. 我实在不理解为什么有的人描写的在美国过得如何凄惨,为什么不回国去.
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作者:KryingLove 留言时间:2007-04-22 07:12:10
To Anon and Carfieldcat:

My previous post got into a incorrect format. Sorry I am writing in English again. This is not in any sense to show my excellent English. Typing Chinese is simply too difficulty for me at the moment. I am speaking a local Chinese dialect. My Pinyin is some what different from the standard tonge, which makes my typing too time-consuming. English is just a lazy way out for me. Please don't feel offended.

I don't disagree with eithe of you when you discuss racial discrimination in the perspective of politics or in scholarly context. I may even support you or vote for you if your run for a governmental position. I've never heared any of the books that Anon listed. I am not planning to read them in my life time either. This is not my area of study and I don't have enough interest or time or English to understand them. I am talking more in the perspective of an individual, especially a father, on how to cope with every day life in the US. To this end I find that Passer-dy's comments are more helpful (Thanks Passer-by for sharing your thoughts).

I grown up in an underprivilaged background. I have exprienced people's prejudice since I was three years old (before that, I don't know wether there were there or not). Family members do not like the one who is not lovely, which is me. Rich kids look down on poor kids (me), Kids from a bigger village pickes on those from a smaller one (me), Student from cities feels supior to the students from countryside, who is me again. Shanghainese scorns the people from other part of China, which is me again. Young people who have lighter skin color and better looking do not like a person who is dark colored and looks not as good. This unfortunately happens to be me again. Oh, man, if I was as sensitive or unforgiving as any one of those who looked down on me, I probably could not have lived to this day, at least not as healthy. Some of them probably could not have lived, at least not as happily, to this day either. Thanks Heaven, I've lived through and some of those people, including my classmates from Shanghai, becomes my best friends. All these experience tells me that prejudice is as deep as the style and color of a coat. I care less for a person who judges another fellow by looking at style of the coat that the person wears.

Then, who has given me the confidence to travel to many parts of the world around the globe with only limited English and heavy local Chinese accent? What is the root of strength that enabled me to go into a college lecture hall, an academic symposiums, a business board room, or a court room with a pursuasive voice. I think it is the understanding and belief of general goodness of human being. At the end of a day, what matters is the content. People, especially well-educated and good natured ones, will very quickly get into the content of a person regardless the color of his suit. In the fourteen years since I came to the US, I have never felt being discriminated, not at least openly. No one has ever said to me "Your English sucks" or "Go back to China". Even if somebody said that to me, I probably would not care much, because that person would quickly regret he did it.

As for the Virginia Tech mass killing, a comparable case is the case of 马家爵 in China. I think that racial or economical factors play far less a role than psycology and love. Your history books and scholarly arguments do not offer much help in this regard. On the contrary, your argument rationalizes the behavior of Cho by blaming the society, which I find to be dangerous. This is the reason that I triggered me to respond to your blog.

Comparing with people from Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia coutries, or even from the minority groups within China, a great advantage of us Chinese Han people is that we don't have minority or island mentality. Do you want to push this into the mind of your children? No, I wouldn't. I do not want my children to be sensitive and narrow-minded. This kind of personality/mentality is a pain to a team, to a family, and to the person him or herself. This is the reason I continue to make my point here. Keeping a broard mind helps. A racial sensitive and combative person may win every battle along his way, but he loses the big war at the end. It is hard to imagine that Hitler, Stalin, or 孙中山 could achieve the height that they had achieved if they had been too quick to consider themselves a minority, which each of them actually was one.

I appreciate the contribution from the black people in civil right movement and of Chinese American forerunners in San Fransisco in their fight for racial justice. Thanks to their couragous fight we are enjoying a far fair society than it used to be. I can see myself fighting for justice too. But, I will never put hate or devisive mentality into it. It is far too dangerous that way.
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作者:KryingLove 留言时间:2007-04-22 00:44:49
T o A n o n a n d C a r f i e l d c a t :

S o r r y I a m w r i t i n g i n E n g l i s h a g a i n . T h i s i s n o t i n a n y s e n s e t o s h o w m y e x c e l l e n t E n g l i s h . T y p i n g C h i n e s e i s s i m p l y t o o d i f f i c u l t f o r m e . I a m s p e a k i n g a l o c a l C h i n e s e d i a l e c t . M y P i n y Y i n i s s o m e what d i f f e r e n t f r o m s t a n d a r d t o n g e , so it t a k e s m e m i n u t e s t o f i n d a s i n g l e c o r r e c t C h i n e s e c h a r a c t e r t o u s e . E n g l i s h i s j u s t a l a z y w a y o u t f o r m e . P l e a s e d o n ' t f e e l o f f e n d e d .

I d o n ' t d i s a g r e e w i t h b o t h o f y o u w h e n y o u d i s c u s s r a c i a l d i s c r i m i n a t i o n i n t h e p e r s p e c t i v e o f p o l i t i c s o r i n s c h o l a r l y c o n t e x t . I m a y e v e n s u p p o r t y o u o r v o t e f o r y o u i f y o u r u n f o r a g o v e r n m e n t a l p o s i t i o n . I ' v e n e v e r h e a r e d a n y o f t h e b o o k s t h a t A n o n l i s t e d . I a m n o t p l a n n i n g t o r e a d t h e m i n m y l i f e t i m e e i t h e r . T h i s i s n o t m y a r e a o f s t u d y a n d I d o n ' t h a v e e n o u g h i n t e r e s t o r t i m e o r E n g l i s h t o u n d e r s t a n d t h e m . I a m t a l k i n g m o r e i n t h e p e r s p e c t i v e o f a n i n d i v i d u a l , e s p e c a i l l y a f a t h e r , o n h o w t o c o p e w i t h e v e r y d a y l i f e i n t h e U S . T o t h i s e n d I f i n d t h a t P a s s e r - d y ' s c o m m e n t s a r e m o r e h e l p f u l ( T h a n k s P a s s e r - b y f o r s h a r i n g y o u r e x p e r i e n c e a n d t h o u g h t s ) .

I g r o w n u p i n a n u n d e r p r i v i l a g e d b a c k g r o u n d . I h a v e e x p r i e n c e d p e o p l e ' s p r e j u d i c e s i n c e I w a s t h r e e y e a r s o l d ( b e f o r e t h a t , I d o n ' t k n o w if there was any or not) . F a m i l y m e m b e r s d o n o t l i k e t h e o n e w h o i s n o t l o v e l y , w h i c h i s m e . R i c h k i d s l o o k d o w n o n p o o r k i d s ( m e ) , K i d s f r o m a b i g g e r v i l l a g e d i s c r i m i n a t e t h o s e f r o m a s m a l l e r o n e ( m e ) , S t u d e n t f r o m c i t i e s f e e l s t h t t h e v i l l a g e s t u d e n t s a r e s t u p i d , w h o i s m e a g a i n . S h a n g h a i n e s e s c o r n s t h e p e o p l e f r o m o t h e r p a r t o f C h i n a , w h i c h i s m e a g a i n . Y o u n g p e o p l e w h o h a v e a l i g h t e r s k i n a n d b e t t e r l o o k i n g d o n o t l i k e a p e r s o n w h o i s d a r k a n d l o o k n o t a s g o o d . T h e l a t t e r h a p p e n s t o b e m e a g a i n . O h , m a n , i f I w a s a s s e n s t i v e o r u n f o r g i v i n g a s a n y o n e o f t h o s e w h o l o o k e d d o w n o n m e , I p r o b a b l y c o u l d n o t h a v e l i v e d t o t h i s d a y , a t l e a s t n o t a s h e a l t h y . S o m e o f t h e m p r o b a b l y c o u l d n o t h a v e l i v e d , a t l e a s t n o t a s h a p p i l y , t o t h i s d a y e i t h e r . T h a n k s H e a v e n , I ' v e l i v e d t h r o u g h a n d s o m e o f t h o s e p e o p l e , i n c l u d i n g m y c l a s s m a t e s f r o m S h a n g h a i , b e c o m e s m y b e s t f r i e n d s . A l l t h e s e e x p e r i e n c e t e l l s m e t h a t p r e j u d i c e i s a s d e e p a s t h e s t y l e a n d c o l o r o f a c o a t . I c a r e l e s s f o r a p e r s o n w h o j u d g e s a n o t h e r f e l l o w b y l o o k i n g a t s t y l e o f t h e c o a t t h a t t h e p e r s o n w e a r s .

T h e n , w h o h a s g i v e n m e t h e c o n f i d e n c e s o t h a t I c a n t r a v e l a r o u n d t h e w o r l d w i t h l i m i t e d E n g l i s h a n d h e a v y l o c a l C h i n e s e a c c e n t ? W h a t i s t h e r o o t o f s t r e n g t h t h a t e n a b l e s m e t o g o i n t o a u n i v e r s i t y l e c t u r e h a l l , a n a c a d e m i c s y m p o s i u m s , a b u s i n e s s b o a r d r o o m , o r a c o u r t r o o m w i t h a p u r s u a s i v e v o i c e . I t h i n k i t i s t h e u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f g e n e r a l g o o d n e s s o f h u m a n b e i n g . A t t h e e n d o f a d a y , w h a t m a t t e r s i s t h e c o n t e n t . P e o p l e , e s p e c i a l l y w e l l - e d u c a t e d a n d g o o d n a t u r e d p e o p l e , w i l l v e r y q u i c k l y g e t i n t o t h e c o n t e n t o f a p e r s o n d e s p i t e t h e c o l o r t o f h i s c l o t h o r s k i n . I n t h e f o u r t e e n y e a r s s i n c e I c a m e t o t h e U S , I h a v e n e v e r f e l t b e i n g d i s c r i m i n a t e d , n o t a t l e a s t o p e n l y . N o o n e h a s e v e r s a i d t o m e " Y o u r E n g l i s h s u c k s " o r " G o b a c k t o C h i n a " . E v e n i f s o m e b o d y s a i d t h a t o t m e , I p r o b a b l y w o u l d n o t c a r e m u c h , b e c a u s e t h a t p e r s o n w o u l d q u i c k l y r e g r e t h e s a i d i t .

A s f o r t h e V i r g i n i a T e c h m a s s k i l l i n g , a c o m p a r a b l e c a s e i s t h e c a s e o f 马家爵 i n C h i n a , I t h i n k r a c i a l o r s o c i e l e c o n o m i c a l f a c t o r s p l a y f a r l e s s a r o l e t h a n p s y c o l o g y a n d l o v e . Y o u r h i s t o r y b o o k s a n d s c h o l a r l y a r g u m e n t s d o n o t o f f e r m u c h h e l p i n t h i s r e g a r d . O n t h e c o n t r a r y , y o u r a r g u m e n t r a t i o n a l i z e s t h e b e h a v i o r o f C h o , w h i c h I f i n d t o b e d a n g e r o u s i f y o u r t h o u g h t g e t h o l d o f s e n s i t i v e a n d n a r r o w - m i n d e d p e r s o n s o r y o u n g k i d s . T h i s i s t h e r e a s o n I s t a r t e d r e s p o n d t o y o u r b l o g .

C o m p a r i n g w i t h p e o p l e f r o m T a i w a n , J a p a n , K o r e a , S o u t h e a s t A s i a c o u t r i e s , o r e v e n t h e m i n o r i t y g r o u p s w i t h i n C h i n a , a g r e a t a d v a n t a g e o f u s C h i n e s e H a n p e o p l e i s t h a t w e d o n ' t h a v e m i n o r i t y o r i s l a n d m e n t a l i t y . D o y o u w a n t t o p u s h t h i s i n t o y o u r c h i l d r e n ? I w o u l d n ' t . I d o n o t w a n t m y c h i l d r e n t o b e s e n s i t i v e a n d n a r r o w - m i n d e d . T h i s k i n d o f p e r s o n a l i t y / m e n t a l i t y i s a p a i n t o a t e a m , t o a f a m i l y , a n d t o t h e p e r s o n h i m o r h e r s e l f . T h i s i s t h e r e a s o n I c o n t i n u e t o m a k e m y p o i n t h e r e . K e e p i n g a b r o a r d m i n d h e l p s . A r a c i a l s e n s i t i v e a n d c o m b a t i v e p e r s o n m a y w i n e v e r y b a t t l e a l o n g h i s w a y , b u t h e l o s e s t h e b i g w a r a t t h e e n d . I t i s h a r d t o i m a g e t h a t H i t l e r , S t a l i n , o r 孙中山 c o u l d a c h i e v e t h e h e i g h t that had achieved i n s o c i e t y i f t h e y h a d been too quick to c o n s i d e r t h e m s e l v e s a m i n o r i t y , w h i c h e a c h o f t h e m a c t u a l l y w a s one.

I appreciate the contribution from the black people in civil right movement and of Chinese American forerunners in San Fransisco in their fight for racial justice. I can see myself fighting for justice too. But, I will never put hate into it. It is far to dangerous that way.
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作者:tea 留言时间:2007-04-21 23:18:22
自从VT校园血案发生后,在网上已经读了好多评论文,包括那些总是在第一时间跳出来谴责中国人的教育和素质,把中国文化砭得一无是处的帖子。还有些人蹦出来比较中美之间不同态度(案发在美国,也不知为什么这些人认为和美态度不一样就是中国的罪证了?)。
直到读了此文,才觉得心有戚戚焉。
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作者:老猫 留言时间:2007-04-21 18:55:40
回carfieldcat,小米粥东西的确多. 貌似从2005开始的. 我今天灌了好几碗了. 得慢慢看.

另:现在虽然blog满天飞,但特别好的其实很少.google提供的那个不好用, 虽然支持中文, 但华人似乎不来. 文学城万维这里民风强悍. 一个帖子看下来,甭管看没看明白,先喊打喊杀一番. backchina访问量不行(跟这里1:20-40吧). 而且文风基本风花雪月的多, 国计民生的少. 一篇东西上去, 不少问你讲的什么意思, 要不就问些个不着调的问题, 看了这些跟贴有种焚琴煮鹤的感觉. 联合博客网新起来的, 不知道能维持多久. 剩下国内新浪搜狐, 犯忌的关键词稍微有点马上就得给封了贴.呵呵, 净土不容易找啊.
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-21 18:44:05
To Anon,

你的书单不错,我只读过Zinn的书和Mississippi Chinese,我会找个时间去图书馆翻翻其他的。朋友推荐了两本书,是从拉丁裔角度写他们的美国史的,我也列在下面:

1. Occupied America: The Chicano's Struggle Toward Liberation, Rodolfo Acuna, Canfield Press, San Francisco, 1972;
2. The White Scourge: Mexicans, Blacks, and Poor Whites in Texas Cotton Culture, Neil Foley, University of California Press, 1997.

另外一本书是我自己正在看的:
The Illusion of Inclusion: The Untold Political Story of San Antonio, University of Texas Press, 2000. 讲述的是拉丁裔在Texas参加美国政治的里程和他们的教训。
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-21 18:30:01
To 老猫

小米粥那里藏了很多好东西,有时间打砸抢去。
我惭愧,虽然也是社会科学的,但是和艰深的政治学、社会学或者哲学没有关系,然而你知道的,社会科学之间的界限是非常模糊的。你说乔姆斯基是语言学家还是政治学家,杜威是哲学家还是教育家,萨义德是宗教学家、东方学家还是社会学家?实在要说个专业,那就是水利学吧,灌水的 :)

To Sky

Sky真牛人也。这年头没有手机没有博客的人才叫酷呢。如果Sky愿写博客,我愿找三两同道,觅一方网络净土,建一个带RSS功能的博客合写,兴之所至,大家以自由之精神,独立之人格,煮酒谈史论今,如何?
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作者:anon 留言时间:2007-04-21 18:24:35
呵呵,多谢Sky网友提醒.确实是刻薄了一点.以后要宽容些,免得将D版加菲猫的辩论场搞成打口水战的战场了.
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作者:sky 留言时间:2007-04-21 17:46:16
passerby网友提问“害怕是可耻的吗?”也问得好。
害怕并不可耻,害怕是人的常见的情绪,是对现实情况的正常反应。之所以会感到担心,害怕,是因为现实生活中充满了令人不安的因素---这就是:歧视,对少数族裔的歧视,对亚裔,对华裔的歧视,隐性的或赤裸裸的歧视,时不时的会出现在我们的日常生活中。
我们只有认识这点,才能考虑怎么对付歧视。

anon 网友对这个问题很有研究,佩服。列出的书单对我也会有帮助。谢谢。[嘿,我还有那本“来自于不同海岸的陌生人”的书呢!]
但我觉得anon对KryingLove网友的态度似乎harsh了一点。不管你对什么事情是不是想透了,都应该有资格发言,对吧?我们就是通过对话,讨论,解开一些疑团,找出问题的答案。还有,对于用何种语言,也别硬性规定。想咋说就咋说,中英随意,文白由人,反正大家都是双语“人才”,呵呵。

KryingLove的主张其实在华人移民中蛮有代表性。
华人是和平主义者,不想同别人发生冲突,以为“视而不见”才算“正面对待”,以为“视而不见”,冲突就不存在。可惜,事情不是这样。如果有人对你说 Go back to China, 你躲也躲不开,你只有迎头反击:What do you mean?

锅炉网友的帖子,很有意思,谈到少数族裔面对主流文化的性别差异。

D版加菲猫新帖的墨西哥裔美国记者文章,又是一个新视点。谢谢。

对,安寇特就是那个咀咒911未亡人的那个heartless person, Coulter。

sky has no blog (does everyone have a blog now?--I am terribly behind then!) but will come visit this site often. Thanks for recommending 小米粥博客。

Oh yes, new formula in journalism: Sneed = Rumor-spreading. Period.
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作者:黑山老猫 留言时间:2007-04-21 17:31:26
carfieldcat, 谢谢推荐小米粥, 他写的东东不少啊. 都很棒. 的确象你说的, 大侠级的. 另: 好奇,悄悄问一下(万维这鬼地方怎么连个站内快信功能也没有), 想知道carfieldcat是什么专业的, 社会学, 国政/国关, 还是传说中的哲学??
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作者:usagi 留言时间:2007-04-21 16:57:02
I went to Wayne Chiang's blog

the freaking kid is an american for crying out loud

he seroiusly needs to sue Sneed for Slandering, harrassment as well as emotional damage.
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作者:carfieldcat 留言时间:2007-04-21 15:42:37
经原作者同意,转一个墨西哥裔美国记者对这件事情的思考。

I don’t know about you, but it feels like the Virginia Tech massacre that took place on the campus of the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, VA has left people emotionally drained. I know that I am. This is now being considered the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history and as it stands, Cho Seung-hui killed 32 people and injuring at least 30 others before turning the gun on himself.

It was also reported that the Virginia Tech massacre resembles another campus shooting that occurred in Austin, TX, where Charles Joseph Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper, fired 150 high-powered rounds of ammunition from the University of Texas Tower killing 16 people and wounding nearly 50 people. Until now, UT shooting was considered the deadliest campus shooting in US history. It has even surpassed the Luby’s massacre of 1991, in which twenty-four people were killed.

All this news can be found on almost any blog and news website. As more and more news emerges, there are several disturbing facts that happen to be over looked, but reveal a lot about how this country handles a crisis.

Playing the “Blame the Immigrant” Game: Inaccurate media reports
Once it was reported that the shooter was an Asian immigrant, Asians have suddenly become the latest media topic. However, there is more than scapegoat one particular group; during the chaos, there was a troubling sign from the media in trying to link an individual act with something larger. Soon after the story broke, Chicago Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed initially reported (which is no longer online) that the shooter was not only a Chinese immigrant but also a possible terrorist. The original link to that story has been updated with the correct information; however, the original report can still be viewed in its entirety on the pro-gun community forum named The Firing Line. Sneed wrote:

Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.

In an apparent effort to be on top of the story, it was immediately picked up and cited by other corporate media, such as FOX News, MSNBC, and ABC News. A screen shot of the article can be found on the blog, Letters from China.

Even worse, one of the most unfortunate media debacles over the VA Tech shootings was the false accusations levied against Wayne Chiang, a Chinese-American who happens to collect guns and who also attends VT who also recently broke up with his girlfriend. Without waiting for the details from the local authority and going on a unfounded and stereotype-based “tip,” Fox News reporters Geraldo Rivera and Megyn Kelly insisted that Wayne Chiang “might have been the perpetrator” as Fox News not only were searching for his residence but also kept broadcasting his pictures from his Facebook page all over the airwaves.

… on the Fox Network, Geraldo Rivera broadcast Chiang’s Facebook page - though not his name - stating, “people might suspect that this might have been the perpetrator.” Fox News correspondent Megyn Kelly then explained how, upon discovery of Chiang’s profile, the channel searched for him.

Sadly, Chiang was not only a victim of profiling, but also a victim of the old stereotype that “all Asians look the same.” Or, as he put it, was “five for five.” According Chiang, he was forced to go public after an Internet lynch mob targeted Chaing throughout the day with “numerous death threats, slanderous accusations, and ….. [a] barrage of [phone] calls.” By the end, his site had over 166,000 page views and on Tuesday, he had over 333,000 people visit his site. On the day of the massacre, his site was quickly filled with hate-filled comments such as: “so u are the asisan that shot up the school. i hate u and your people.” (note: comments are closed now)

In an interview with ABC, Chiang said: “Right now pretty much the internet thinks it is me … I am just interested in trying to clear my name.” One would think that once the gunman was properly identified this was an open and shut case in the court of public opinion, no debate, time to move on, unfortunately, this is not the case for Chaing. According to Chiang’s latest entry, he is still being “misidentified” as the shooter.

But Chiang wasn’t the only one who discovered how effective the internet can be in spreading unstoppable slurs and libel, At one point mechanical engineering student James Jay Kim also was “outed” as the killer. Kim was originally named in a Facebook discussion, which was later mention on the popular online encyclopedia, Wikipedia. The page was removed an hour later.

James Jay Kim was named in a Facebook discussion between students when one user asked the question: ‘Does anyone know who the shooter is?’ Kim’s name was posted in a reply, with other participants claiming they had been told by sources at the university that it was ‘definitely’ him.

It is not surprising for people to overreact in a time of crises; sometimes people may mishear or misinterpret information they may have heard. However, I don’t think that person misheard the news they were told from their inside sources from the university. The picture below is an AP photo taken by The Roanoke Times Alan Kim, the caption states: “An unidentified man is restrained during a manhunt on the Virginia Tech campus.” Unfortunately, it remains unclear who that person was and if he actually played a role in the shooting or if that person is actually James Jay Kim. These are questions we may never know or find out.


Since the media never apologized for misleading the public that day, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao criticized the media the next day and said “that it is was a terrible mistake and a violation of professional ethics to publish reports before checking the facts.”

What is unfortunate about the aftermath of this tragedy is not that it further proves that this county is xenophobic, but the sloppy reporting actually had consequences. Because of Sneed’s column, a host of international websites carried the story with such headlines “Chinese student suspected of Virginia massacre,” which actually caused a near panic in China. When the report turned out to be incorrect, Sneed’s article was removed and updated, however, Sneed, without apologizing, provided a weak excuse for her reckless reporting.

Sneed’s online report Monday afternoon stated the initial investigation led law enforcement authorities to a preliminary suspect, who was a man from China.

Details and a description of the preliminary suspect accompanied reports available to law enforcement agencies via a national network checking on possible terrorist activities.

Sneed was not the only who tried to cover up their mess after causing a stir. According to a post on Sepia Mutiny, right-wing pundit Debbie Schlussel reported that the shooter might be a “Paki” Muslim and according to Media Matters, she also claimed it was part of “a coordinated terrorist attack.”

The Virginia Tech campus has a very large Muslim community, many of which are from Pakistan (per terrorism investigator Bill Warner).

Pakis are considered “Asian.”

Even if it does not turn out that the shooter is Muslim, this is a demonstration to Muslim jihadists all over that it is extremely easy to shoot and kill multiple American college students.

Unsurprisingly, Schlussel also deleted her post from her blog, stating she was “spending too much time monitoring the slimy comments from the Nazi-infested Media Matters for America cretins.”

This is a disturbing trend among white media pundits in an effort to steer an entire population into thinking that one individual represents a whole community, even to the point of personifying a whole nation. They have no problem conjuring up bogeymen out of thin air, creating enemies out of lies and manipulations. To them, it is all about the rates and the first to provide a juicy gossip regardless if they ruined the lives and careers of honorable men and women; or create division and animosity between citizens. And when they’re caught, it has become second nature to amend their information in real time to cover up their sloppy tracks.

It is not surprising to see the political and media establishment responding to the Virginia Tech massacre as it does to every significant event of social malaise, with a combination of denial and self-delusion. It will be business as usual where a large majority of our society will never talk about the dirty little secret of assimilation or the myth of America’s model minority and how it does not always prevent racial alienation, rage, or depression.

Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho’s turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded “like he had something in his mouth,” Davids said.

“As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, ‘Go back to China,’” Davids said.

“There were just some people who were really mean to him and they would push him down and laugh at him,” Roberts said. “He didn’t speak English really well and they would really make fun of him.”

Given that the model minority myth elevates Asians over minority groups, we can expect to see Cho dissected as an anomaly among South Koreans who “are not prone” to violence. But one thing for sure, this tragedy will only add fuel to the heated immigration debate and the need to increase deportation.
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作者:anon 留言时间:2007-04-21 14:39:31
To KryingLove:

对于社会问题,它展现在众人面前的总是立体的多层次的,所以看同一社会问题的人,也因所受教育及所能思考的深浅而有不同的看法. 比如作者在这里所写的,我认为体现了他对美国的过去及现在的社会和种族问题的深刻理解. 这也是为什么我非常认同他/她文中所言”cho的心理问题其实是美国的社会问题.”

如果你读书,那建议你认真了解一下美国历史, 搞清楚美洲印第安人是如何一步步被弄到保留地的(Indian Reservations),美国内战之后重建其间非裔美国人的民权是如何被”保障”的,内战之后的Jim Crow Laws是什么,是怎么回事? 搞清楚美国民权运动是怎么回事? 搞清楚了,你再继续看自1848-49年Gold Rush之后华人在美国的历史, 认真读一下1882年的排华法案, 了解20世纪上半叶华人移民怎么变成了以吸收受过高等教育的为主了? 了解好莱坞生产的Dr. Fu Manchu是怎么回事? … …

如果你也读书,那我给你列几本书,抽时间读一下(由易到难排列):
Howard Zinn “A People’s History of the United States, ”
Ronald Takaki的”Strangers From a Different Shore: a History of Asian Americans,”
James Loewen “The Mississippi Chinese:Between Black and White,”
Winthrop Jordan “White Man’s Burden,”
Eric Wolf “Europe and the People Without History,”
David Roediger “The Wages of Whiteness.”

读完之后,用你的脑子仔细思考. 然后, 你才有资格到这里对作者的文章及观点进行品评, 你也有可能发觉你在2007年4月20日23:02:32的中文留言是多么无知和愚蠢. 在此之前,你根本没有资格说作者的观点”not healthy”.

我从来反对学究化,但是只有用知识武装了大脑,你才能对这个社会有更清晰深刻地认识.认识的目的,不是产生更多的仇恨, 而是积累你的智慧,不仅仅为你个人,而是为群体,为社会中处于弱势的人提供帮助去对抗强权.

给KryingLove的题外话:既然你会说中文,建议以后在这里发言就不要再用英文来说话了.你的英文水平,大家一看就明了,无须以后在中国人中间再次证明了.
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作者:usagi 留言时间:2007-04-21 09:25:34
to Krying Love

please dont take what im about to say as a personal attack

when you say that as long as there is no LAW indicate the RACIAL Discrimation, then we are fine.

but you see, that's where you are wrong. LAW is WRITEN BY PEOPLE. if the supreme court can over rule the constitution, or make exceptions over it, then you know that no one is safe here. even the Latino Community understands that concept.

(FYI. the supreme court has Thomas Jefferson to thank for such power; Latin Americans were considered White before Brown Vs. Board of Education, B vs. BE was not the first colored case that were taken to the Supreme Court, there was another one involving a Mexican American immigrant as defendant case which was brought before the Supreme Court, and that case was the first colored case. )

that is merely the reason why there are over 30 or so seats been taken by the Latin community in the House of Reps. and only 11 or so Asians. and there are only so many seats in the House.

if you do not have a voice, then no one will hear you. just like what the Americans always say, Squeaky wheel, gets the oil.

and the Latin community understands that, so does the African-Ameircan community. Why do you think now there is a bill that's about to pass mainly concerning the illegal immigrants here in the US ? and the majority of that population is Latin Americans ?

if the congress can pass the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, then it certainly can happen again. the only matter concerning here is when.
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作者:KryingLove 留言时间:2007-04-20 20:02:32
谢谢你的善意邀请。关于歧视,包括种族歧视,我觉得有两种态度。在制度上在政治上要坚决反对,在个人层面在在日常生活中要正面对待,甚止视而不见。经常以带戒备的心情看事情你从心理就成了少数,成了小国寡民,这对一个人没有一点好处。所以,除非你是搞政治的想以此立论立身,就不要扯这麽多事情到种族歧视的头上。你举的例子基本上与种族歧视无关。对别人有偏见的人到处都有,并且歧视它人的理由不一而足,往往这都是些狭隘的小人,没必要跟其认真。只要制度上政治上没有歧视的条款,我们就该理直气壮。我从来不让别人的脸色而影响我的生活。
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