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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言時間：2009-06-20 05:08:57 |
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謝謝山哥德的鼓勵。我下個月回國（從此要從萬維消失了），什麼時候回來還不知道。。。如果國內混不下去，半年之內還得回來因為我一致沒有申請美國公民，而綠卡需要每半年回來一次。。。
至於作傳道人之說，全看上帝如何帶領，目前我還沒有這方面的感動。。。我目前能看到的上帝給我的恩賜不在傳道，而在宣傳我的哲學和為神學改革或突破作貢獻。。。。。。
其實，上帝在主耶穌到來之前也先是在世界各地興起哲學，因為哲學可以幫助人們理解來自上帝的福音。。。今天世界的基督教面臨着極大的危機（中國是例外），而危機的主要原因是神學理論的落後，遠遠跟不上主對我們的期待。。。。。。
過去幾年裡，我參加了各種福音派和靈恩派的崇拜和團契活動，看到當今的基督教世界裡充滿了各種虛幻。。。我也參加過很有智慧的神學家組織的講座，發現雖然今天的神學家們在神學理論上仍然是比一般教會先進，走在了一般教會及傳道士的前面，但是仍然有嚴重的缺陷，需要有突破。。。而他們之所以得不到突破的一個重要原因是，即便以他們現在的理論都無法讓一般的福音派或靈恩派的教會及傳道士們接受，這對他們的信心也是一種打擊。。。這一點我可以理解，因為我的自己的哲學就遠遠超出我已在博客寫的及我的《公平人生》一書中所發表的，但是，我也實在提不起興趣來多寫什麼，因為就是我現在寫的也沒什麼人讀得懂（至今還未碰到一個能真正讀懂我已寫或發表的哲學或神學理論的）。。。。。。 |
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作者：山哥 |
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留言時間：2009-06-19 22:28:13 |
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慕容博好。完全贊成你的博文里的觀點。
一口氣讀完你和昭君的對話，對你十分感佩。很多人都說中國福音事業進入了使徒時代，你何不考慮回國發展？以你的裝備，可以成為新時代的保羅。。。
老兄，你留在海外可惜了。。。中國的真的需要思想家，而西方已經不需要了。。。
你應該考慮作職業傳道人。。。 |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言時間：2009-06-15 17:04:33 |
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昭君博：
對於基督徒來說，真正的選民的意義其實應該就是如何成為基督徒的。。。所以不論是born Christian 還是我們這樣converted的基督徒其實都是上帝的選擇。。。
當然，從一個人的成長曆程來看，每個不是born Christian的基督徒可能都有一個或一段如何成為基督徒的故事。。。就我本人來說，人生的磨難可能是我成為基督徒且信仰不斷加深的重要原因。。。
我從小到大的人生是非常坎坷的。。。不過坎坷的人生也帶給我了很多的特殊恩賜：對主的信仰是一個重要的恩賜，來自主的哲學上的領悟是另一個重要的恩賜。。。
前幾天我和人開玩笑說，陳水扁家人說他們窮的只剩下錢了，而我是窮得只剩下哲學了。。。當然，我和他們的不同之處是從經濟角度來說我是實實在在的真窮。。。
至於我的哲學，目前看來最主要的功能是屬靈意義上的對我自己的靈的補養，或許死後見主的時候，我的靈會因此而更加ready吧。。。我也不知道。。。反正目前來說，我看不出我的哲學對自己的人生，對家人，對國人，對民族，對這個世界能有任何益處（因為既沒有什麼人對我的哲學感興趣，更沒有什麼人能真正讀得懂我的哲學），儘管我可以毫不羞愧地宣稱我相信當今世界上沒有人能在哲學領悟及洞察力，尤其是形而上學的分析能力上與我相當。。。。。。
所以我平時除非有特殊的原因或特殊的寫作衝動，一般也懶得寫什麼，就是寫了通常也草草結尾，大多都是一氣呵成，如果稍一拖拉我可能很快就沒了情緒，因為我寫的時候人生處境使我心裡並不舒服。。。。。。謝謝 |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言時間：2009-06-15 12:14:32 |
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慕容博：
“聽君一席談，勝讀十年書”，呵呵。尤其是關於基督教和猶太教之間的關係和淵源，先謝了。對您的答覆還是有很多不贊同之處，容我稍後再討論。
以前和您就心理方面的話題有過交流，也知道您的哲學功底，不過沒想到您還是一個虔誠的基督徒！我相信您對基督教的理解超過絕大多數“Born Christians"。有點好奇：您是怎樣成為一個基督徒的呢？可以告知一二嗎？
再謝謝您的時間。 |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言時間：2009-06-14 20:54:30 |
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昭君博：
First of all, my apology for leaving wrong message in your blog because I somehow found your comment was truncated.....an example of how man could be fooled by illusion :).....
Now let's take a look at your concern and question about Christianity....
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You were saying:
"However, one thing I cannot understand is Christianity's rejection of or hostility towards other religions, and people who belong to other religions (the 'non-believers' of Christianity")."
My response:
First, from the Bible as well as any historical knowledge about how Christianity started, you would know that Christianity was emerging out of Judaism or we may say as it is said in the Bible that Gentile Christians are ingrafted branches and Isreal is the root......The history of Israelites worshipping God goes back to about 4000 years ago when none of the other currently existing popular religions had ever existed. As it is mentioned in the Bible that the God of Isreal people is a jealous God, which means it is the command from God that Isreal people should not worship any other gods or idols. When Christianity was emerging out of Judaism, like faithful Israelites, faithful Christians were obedient to the Ten Commandments which forbiddens Christians to worship any other gods or idols either. This is the reason why Christians ourselves cannot worship any other gods or idols and thus the reason why ourselves cannot accept any other religions besides Christianity.
Then you might ask why Christians cannot accept Judaism as their religion. The answer is that Judaism does not admit that Jesus is the Christ. In fact, Judaism is not like Christian in the sense that Judaism does not claim to be a religion for everyone in the world. In other words, if you want to become a Jewish today, you cannot just go
to ask for acceptance through baptism as you would do when you decide to accept Christ as your Lord and become a Christian.
Second, even though Christians themselves cannot accept any other religion because of the Ten Commandments, it does not mean that Christianity cannot live along with any other religion. The separation of religion and state is not started today. It was started in the history when Christianity was possessing the dominant political power
in the west countries. Even though a lot people today view science as a major challenge to Christianity, but you might honestly notice that modern science was growing out of Christian dominated culture and the Church was even the main sponsor of various early scientific endeavors. All these tell that Christian is a tolerant religion.
I don't intend to deny the facts (which you might even not know) that in the history, from time to time there were some wars initiated by Christians against non-Christian world. However, history tells us that thanks to God, today Christians are living together with non-Christians on this globe, which means it was not the will of God
that Christians could deny the right of survival of non-Christians through violence. If non-Christians were eliminated by Christians in the history, we might not be able to sit in front of computers to discuss this issue today since we are all originally from non-Christian background. In fact, Christian is a religion which claims to be for everyone on this globe because it is the command from Jesus that all gentiles could be saved as long as they accept Jesus as their Lord.
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You were saying:
"I have heard of people talking about their children dating people who are of other religion backgrounds, and were referring that behavior as 'sin', and those kids have to be 'saved from such evil things'. I simply cannot accept the 'superiority' in this mentality."
My response:
If we both are honest, we might say that this does not only happen in Christian families, it happens in many families of all religions. It might sound weird or unacceptable for non-religious people, but it is very common among religious people of any religious background. It is not just a 'superiority' issue, but you might say that it is a religious thing........
I don't want to comment here on a general phenomenon among all religious people for whether it is right or wrong. But I believe that the laws of most countries today forbidden any discrimination against people from different religious bacjground, which you might cite to protect your own right once something like that happens to you.....
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You were saying:
"I know that Christians believe they are 'the chosen one', which is great, but does that make them 'the better' beings in this world? After all, the three major religions were created at about the same time and even from the same location, and have influenced people around the world for many years. I'm not familiar with Islam or Buddism, or Judaism, but I don't think they share this mentality of 'if you don't believe my God, you are doomed'."
My response:
First, obviously you have some big misunderstanding against Christianity. I can tell you very honestly, Christianity is definitely NOT more exclusive than Islam or Judaism. Otherwise, you won't see so many Christians trying to preach to people of any nation all around the world!
As a Chinese I can understand why you might feel that you are excluded by Christianity. I guess you might compare Christianity with Buddism. Buddism claims to be for everyone in the world and you don't need to go through any ritual ceremony to become a buddist unless you want to be a monk. But if you look around or if you have ever visited Buddist temples you might find that in fact Buddism demands much more ritual activities than Christianity. Some buddists even try to claim that Buddism is not a religion but a philosophy.....well, as intellectual woman, you might know that philosophy does not demand rites and idols. Besides, in case (I am not suggesting you to do so) you go to a Buddist temple to preach Christianity or any other religion (even
Taoism), you would be kicked out of their temple, and in buddist families, you cannot preach any other religion either.......all these means that Buddism is also an exclusive religion.
Second, as I mentioned above that it is said in the Bible that Christians are branches ingrafted onto the Isreal root. It has been long believed by Isreal people that they are the "the chosen one", and thus Christians also believe that we are the "the chosen one" through Jesus Christ since we are ingrafted onto the Isreal root.
I mentioned to others in many situations that my understanding about the Bible is not exactly the same as what is taught in many of today's main stream Christian churches. One example is about the meaning of "the chosen one". I believe, same as Isrealites are chosen as the witness to God, we Christians are chosen as the witness to Christ. Both of us are not chosen as spoiled kids.
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You were saying:
"Like I mentioned in my article, many historical conflicts and current world problems are rooted in conflicts among different religions, and the notion that 'my God is better than your God', and Christianity seems to be the strongest believer of such position. Which is the one thing that makes me uncomfortable and will not be able to commit to this belief."
My response:
If my answer is that "you might just see what happened on the surface but not what really happens behind", you might feel offended and might think I am too arrogant. However, unfortunately, that is the best answer I can give you even though I mean no offending you at all.
A naturalist or atheist definitely would not share the same view on this issue as a faithful religious person. You see the phenomenon from human secular political incidents only, but we consider it as a consequence of spiritual battles.
Now the concept of spiritual battle is involved. As a religious person, I believe that we human beings have always been influenced by supernatural powers. We cannot live without the supernatural influence no matter we are religious or not. This means even if we human beings somehow decide unanimously that no one should be religious, there are still going to be wars because of the spiritual conflicts behind our human powers, which we might not see naturally.......
As for the notion 'my God is better than your God', I have explained earlier that same as Judaism, Christians cannot accept any other gods because of the Ten Commandments.
However, this does not mean that as human beings we should go to war only for the name of God. History tells us that if some human beings were doing so, it might be most probably they were doing it for their own personal interests. We believe that our God is a loving God, and for loving us Jesus Christ died on the cross.
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You were saying:
"The world is becoming much more diverse place than even two hundred years ago, why can't religion evolve with the time?"
My response:
Today, this might be a question for people to ask within their own religions but not across the religious boundaries yet. Relegions are exlusive in nature. However, how to face the development of the civilization, and how to live together with everyone else in the world is a question that people within each religion need to answer today.
Before people within each religion could reach some views that could allow them to talk more openly about their faithful believes with people from other religions, it would not make too much sense to ask this question globally since you won't get an answer you might want......Personally I believe the evolution of religious situation on this globe would be led by God.....
Thanks for the discussion. |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言時間：2009-06-14 18:04:13 |
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慕容兄：
Thank you. It's easier to write about this topic in English, so here goes.
I am a Non-Christian, but I have interactions with many Christians, and also have been attending a Christian church in our community in the past couple of years. I admire and understand most of the teachings of Christianity, and believe it is a religion that has a lot of great things to offer to the humanity. However, one thing I cannot understand is Christianity's rejection of or hostility towards other religions, and people who belong to other religions (the "non-believers" of Christianity"). I have heard of people talking about their children dating people who are of other religion backgrounds, and were referring that behavior as "sin", and those kids have to be "saved from such evil things". I simply cannot accept the "superiority" in this mentality.
I know that Christians believe they are "the chosen one", which is great, but does that make them "the better" beings in this world? After all, the three major religions were created at about the same time and even from the same location, and have influenced people around the world for many years. I'm not familiar with Islam or Buddism, or Judaism, but I don't think they share this mentality of "if you don't believe my God, you are doomed". Like I mentioned in my article, many historical conflicts and current world problems are rooted in conflicts among different religions, and the notion that "my God is better than your God", and Christianity seems to be the strongest believer of such position. Which is the one thing that makes me uncomfortable and will not be able to commit to this belief.
The world is becoming much more diverse place than even two hundred years ago, why can't religion evolve with the time? Why can't we have religions that respect and tolerate other spiritual systems as equals, rather than treating them as threats or evil?
I would love to hear your take on these questions. Thanks in advance. |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言時間：2009-06-13 14:45:36 |
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昭君博：
Not particularly any one subject......but during the past years I did witness some misunderstanding between non-scientific Christians and non-Christians modern professionals due to lack of very fundamental knowledge about the world on the other side......
Personally I've told people in many situations that as a Christian myself I think the Christianity of today's world is facing some serious crisis (mainly theological crisis) which would bring about some breakthrough in the Christianity of the world......but I also can see as a faithful Christian how wrong the non-Christian world is viewing Christianity based on some false logical reasoning......
I would be more than happier to have some friendly in-depth discussion on the issue with you......thx |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言時間：2009-06-13 09:42:49 |
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Murong:
I hope you are not referring to my recent artile about science and religion when you talked about "non-Christians" and Christians:). I'd love to discuss with you in more depth later.
http://blog.creaders.net/dreamweaver/user_blog_diary.php?did=41952 |
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