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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言时间：2009-06-20 05:08:57 |
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谢谢山哥德的鼓励。我下个月回国（从此要从万维消失了），什么时候回来还不知道。。。如果国内混不下去，半年之内还得回来因为我一致没有申请美国公民，而绿卡需要每半年回来一次。。。
至于作传道人之说，全看上帝如何带领，目前我还没有这方面的感动。。。我目前能看到的上帝给我的恩赐不在传道，而在宣传我的哲学和为神学改革或突破作贡献。。。。。。
其实，上帝在主耶稣到来之前也先是在世界各地兴起哲学，因为哲学可以帮助人们理解来自上帝的福音。。。今天世界的基督教面临着极大的危机（中国是例外），而危机的主要原因是神学理论的落后，远远跟不上主对我们的期待。。。。。。
过去几年里，我参加了各种福音派和灵恩派的崇拜和团契活动，看到当今的基督教世界里充满了各种虚幻。。。我也参加过很有智慧的神学家组织的讲座，发现虽然今天的神学家们在神学理论上仍然是比一般教会先进，走在了一般教会及传道士的前面，但是仍然有严重的缺陷，需要有突破。。。而他们之所以得不到突破的一个重要原因是，即便以他们现在的理论都无法让一般的福音派或灵恩派的教会及传道士们接受，这对他们的信心也是一种打击。。。这一点我可以理解，因为我的自己的哲学就远远超出我已在博客写的及我的《公平人生》一书中所发表的，但是，我也实在提不起兴趣来多写什么，因为就是我现在写的也没什么人读得懂（至今还未碰到一个能真正读懂我已写或发表的哲学或神学理论的）。。。。。。 |
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作者：山哥 |
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留言时间：2009-06-19 22:28:13 |
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慕容博好。完全赞成你的博文里的观点。
一口气读完你和昭君的对话，对你十分感佩。很多人都说中国福音事业进入了使徒时代，你何不考虑回国发展？以你的装备，可以成为新时代的保罗。。。
老兄，你留在海外可惜了。。。中国的真的需要思想家，而西方已经不需要了。。。
你应该考虑作职业传道人。。。 |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言时间：2009-06-15 17:04:33 |
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昭君博：
对于基督徒来说，真正的选民的意义其实应该就是如何成为基督徒的。。。所以不论是born Christian 还是我们这样converted的基督徒其实都是上帝的选择。。。
当然，从一个人的成长历程来看，每个不是born Christian的基督徒可能都有一个或一段如何成为基督徒的故事。。。就我本人来说，人生的磨难可能是我成为基督徒且信仰不断加深的重要原因。。。
我从小到大的人生是非常坎坷的。。。不过坎坷的人生也带给我了很多的特殊恩赐：对主的信仰是一个重要的恩赐，来自主的哲学上的领悟是另一个重要的恩赐。。。
前几天我和人开玩笑说，陈水扁家人说他们穷的只剩下钱了，而我是穷得只剩下哲学了。。。当然，我和他们的不同之处是从经济角度来说我是实实在在的真穷。。。
至于我的哲学，目前看来最主要的功能是属灵意义上的对我自己的灵的补养，或许死后见主的时候，我的灵会因此而更加ready吧。。。我也不知道。。。反正目前来说，我看不出我的哲学对自己的人生，对家人，对国人，对民族，对这个世界能有任何益处（因为既没有什么人对我的哲学感兴趣，更没有什么人能真正读得懂我的哲学），尽管我可以毫不羞愧地宣称我相信当今世界上没有人能在哲学领悟及洞察力，尤其是形而上学的分析能力上与我相当。。。。。。
所以我平时除非有特殊的原因或特殊的写作冲动，一般也懒得写什么，就是写了通常也草草结尾，大多都是一气呵成，如果稍一拖拉我可能很快就没了情绪，因为我写的时候人生处境使我心里并不舒服。。。。。。谢谢 |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言时间：2009-06-15 12:14:32 |
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慕容博：
“听君一席谈，胜读十年书”，呵呵。尤其是关于基督教和犹太教之间的关系和渊源，先谢了。对您的答复还是有很多不赞同之处，容我稍后再讨论。
以前和您就心理方面的话题有过交流，也知道您的哲学功底，不过没想到您还是一个虔诚的基督徒！我相信您对基督教的理解超过绝大多数“Born Christians"。有点好奇：您是怎样成为一个基督徒的呢？可以告知一二吗？
再谢谢您的时间。 |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言时间：2009-06-14 20:54:30 |
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昭君博：
First of all, my apology for leaving wrong message in your blog because I somehow found your comment was truncated.....an example of how man could be fooled by illusion :).....
Now let's take a look at your concern and question about Christianity....
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You were saying:
"However, one thing I cannot understand is Christianity's rejection of or hostility towards other religions, and people who belong to other religions (the 'non-believers' of Christianity")."
My response:
First, from the Bible as well as any historical knowledge about how Christianity started, you would know that Christianity was emerging out of Judaism or we may say as it is said in the Bible that Gentile Christians are ingrafted branches and Isreal is the root......The history of Israelites worshipping God goes back to about 4000 years ago when none of the other currently existing popular religions had ever existed. As it is mentioned in the Bible that the God of Isreal people is a jealous God, which means it is the command from God that Isreal people should not worship any other gods or idols. When Christianity was emerging out of Judaism, like faithful Israelites, faithful Christians were obedient to the Ten Commandments which forbiddens Christians to worship any other gods or idols either. This is the reason why Christians ourselves cannot worship any other gods or idols and thus the reason why ourselves cannot accept any other religions besides Christianity.
Then you might ask why Christians cannot accept Judaism as their religion. The answer is that Judaism does not admit that Jesus is the Christ. In fact, Judaism is not like Christian in the sense that Judaism does not claim to be a religion for everyone in the world. In other words, if you want to become a Jewish today, you cannot just go
to ask for acceptance through baptism as you would do when you decide to accept Christ as your Lord and become a Christian.
Second, even though Christians themselves cannot accept any other religion because of the Ten Commandments, it does not mean that Christianity cannot live along with any other religion. The separation of religion and state is not started today. It was started in the history when Christianity was possessing the dominant political power
in the west countries. Even though a lot people today view science as a major challenge to Christianity, but you might honestly notice that modern science was growing out of Christian dominated culture and the Church was even the main sponsor of various early scientific endeavors. All these tell that Christian is a tolerant religion.
I don't intend to deny the facts (which you might even not know) that in the history, from time to time there were some wars initiated by Christians against non-Christian world. However, history tells us that thanks to God, today Christians are living together with non-Christians on this globe, which means it was not the will of God
that Christians could deny the right of survival of non-Christians through violence. If non-Christians were eliminated by Christians in the history, we might not be able to sit in front of computers to discuss this issue today since we are all originally from non-Christian background. In fact, Christian is a religion which claims to be for everyone on this globe because it is the command from Jesus that all gentiles could be saved as long as they accept Jesus as their Lord.
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You were saying:
"I have heard of people talking about their children dating people who are of other religion backgrounds, and were referring that behavior as 'sin', and those kids have to be 'saved from such evil things'. I simply cannot accept the 'superiority' in this mentality."
My response:
If we both are honest, we might say that this does not only happen in Christian families, it happens in many families of all religions. It might sound weird or unacceptable for non-religious people, but it is very common among religious people of any religious background. It is not just a 'superiority' issue, but you might say that it is a religious thing........
I don't want to comment here on a general phenomenon among all religious people for whether it is right or wrong. But I believe that the laws of most countries today forbidden any discrimination against people from different religious bacjground, which you might cite to protect your own right once something like that happens to you.....
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You were saying:
"I know that Christians believe they are 'the chosen one', which is great, but does that make them 'the better' beings in this world? After all, the three major religions were created at about the same time and even from the same location, and have influenced people around the world for many years. I'm not familiar with Islam or Buddism, or Judaism, but I don't think they share this mentality of 'if you don't believe my God, you are doomed'."
My response:
First, obviously you have some big misunderstanding against Christianity. I can tell you very honestly, Christianity is definitely NOT more exclusive than Islam or Judaism. Otherwise, you won't see so many Christians trying to preach to people of any nation all around the world!
As a Chinese I can understand why you might feel that you are excluded by Christianity. I guess you might compare Christianity with Buddism. Buddism claims to be for everyone in the world and you don't need to go through any ritual ceremony to become a buddist unless you want to be a monk. But if you look around or if you have ever visited Buddist temples you might find that in fact Buddism demands much more ritual activities than Christianity. Some buddists even try to claim that Buddism is not a religion but a philosophy.....well, as intellectual woman, you might know that philosophy does not demand rites and idols. Besides, in case (I am not suggesting you to do so) you go to a Buddist temple to preach Christianity or any other religion (even
Taoism), you would be kicked out of their temple, and in buddist families, you cannot preach any other religion either.......all these means that Buddism is also an exclusive religion.
Second, as I mentioned above that it is said in the Bible that Christians are branches ingrafted onto the Isreal root. It has been long believed by Isreal people that they are the "the chosen one", and thus Christians also believe that we are the "the chosen one" through Jesus Christ since we are ingrafted onto the Isreal root.
I mentioned to others in many situations that my understanding about the Bible is not exactly the same as what is taught in many of today's main stream Christian churches. One example is about the meaning of "the chosen one". I believe, same as Isrealites are chosen as the witness to God, we Christians are chosen as the witness to Christ. Both of us are not chosen as spoiled kids.
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You were saying:
"Like I mentioned in my article, many historical conflicts and current world problems are rooted in conflicts among different religions, and the notion that 'my God is better than your God', and Christianity seems to be the strongest believer of such position. Which is the one thing that makes me uncomfortable and will not be able to commit to this belief."
My response:
If my answer is that "you might just see what happened on the surface but not what really happens behind", you might feel offended and might think I am too arrogant. However, unfortunately, that is the best answer I can give you even though I mean no offending you at all.
A naturalist or atheist definitely would not share the same view on this issue as a faithful religious person. You see the phenomenon from human secular political incidents only, but we consider it as a consequence of spiritual battles.
Now the concept of spiritual battle is involved. As a religious person, I believe that we human beings have always been influenced by supernatural powers. We cannot live without the supernatural influence no matter we are religious or not. This means even if we human beings somehow decide unanimously that no one should be religious, there are still going to be wars because of the spiritual conflicts behind our human powers, which we might not see naturally.......
As for the notion 'my God is better than your God', I have explained earlier that same as Judaism, Christians cannot accept any other gods because of the Ten Commandments.
However, this does not mean that as human beings we should go to war only for the name of God. History tells us that if some human beings were doing so, it might be most probably they were doing it for their own personal interests. We believe that our God is a loving God, and for loving us Jesus Christ died on the cross.
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You were saying:
"The world is becoming much more diverse place than even two hundred years ago, why can't religion evolve with the time?"
My response:
Today, this might be a question for people to ask within their own religions but not across the religious boundaries yet. Relegions are exlusive in nature. However, how to face the development of the civilization, and how to live together with everyone else in the world is a question that people within each religion need to answer today.
Before people within each religion could reach some views that could allow them to talk more openly about their faithful believes with people from other religions, it would not make too much sense to ask this question globally since you won't get an answer you might want......Personally I believe the evolution of religious situation on this globe would be led by God.....
Thanks for the discussion. |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言时间：2009-06-14 18:04:13 |
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慕容兄：
Thank you. It's easier to write about this topic in English, so here goes.
I am a Non-Christian, but I have interactions with many Christians, and also have been attending a Christian church in our community in the past couple of years. I admire and understand most of the teachings of Christianity, and believe it is a religion that has a lot of great things to offer to the humanity. However, one thing I cannot understand is Christianity's rejection of or hostility towards other religions, and people who belong to other religions (the "non-believers" of Christianity"). I have heard of people talking about their children dating people who are of other religion backgrounds, and were referring that behavior as "sin", and those kids have to be "saved from such evil things". I simply cannot accept the "superiority" in this mentality.
I know that Christians believe they are "the chosen one", which is great, but does that make them "the better" beings in this world? After all, the three major religions were created at about the same time and even from the same location, and have influenced people around the world for many years. I'm not familiar with Islam or Buddism, or Judaism, but I don't think they share this mentality of "if you don't believe my God, you are doomed". Like I mentioned in my article, many historical conflicts and current world problems are rooted in conflicts among different religions, and the notion that "my God is better than your God", and Christianity seems to be the strongest believer of such position. Which is the one thing that makes me uncomfortable and will not be able to commit to this belief.
The world is becoming much more diverse place than even two hundred years ago, why can't religion evolve with the time? Why can't we have religions that respect and tolerate other spiritual systems as equals, rather than treating them as threats or evil?
I would love to hear your take on these questions. Thanks in advance. |
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作者：慕容青草 |
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留言时间：2009-06-13 14:45:36 |
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昭君博：
Not particularly any one subject......but during the past years I did witness some misunderstanding between non-scientific Christians and non-Christians modern professionals due to lack of very fundamental knowledge about the world on the other side......
Personally I've told people in many situations that as a Christian myself I think the Christianity of today's world is facing some serious crisis (mainly theological crisis) which would bring about some breakthrough in the Christianity of the world......but I also can see as a faithful Christian how wrong the non-Christian world is viewing Christianity based on some false logical reasoning......
I would be more than happier to have some friendly in-depth discussion on the issue with you......thx |
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作者：昭君 |
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留言时间：2009-06-13 09:42:49 |
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Murong:
I hope you are not referring to my recent artile about science and religion when you talked about "non-Christians" and Christians:). I'd love to discuss with you in more depth later.
http://blog.creaders.net/dreamweaver/user_blog_diary.php?did=41952 |
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