設萬維讀者為首頁 萬維讀者網 -- 全球華人的精神家園 廣告服務 聯繫我們 關於萬維
 
首  頁 新  聞 視  頻 博  客 論  壇 分類廣告 購  物
搜索>> 發表日誌 控制面板 個人相冊 給我留言
幫助 退出
     
  慕容青草的博客
  哲學與信仰
網絡日誌正文
老子的無與黑格爾的無 2016-12-31 11:06:17

無的概念在老子與黑格爾的哲學中都具有非常重要的地位。

很多不知道什麼是《道德經》的人,卻也知道老子的哲學講究無為;稍微了解些《道德經》的人更是常喜歡引用老子提到無的句子,比如,“有無相生”,“聖人處無為之事”,“為無為,則無不治”,“故有之以為利,無之以為用”,“常德不忒,復歸於無極”,“我無事而民自富。我無欲而民自朴”,“天下萬物生於有,有生於無”,等等。但是提起黑格爾的哲學,人們首先想到的可能是辯證法或辯證邏輯(儘管黑格爾自己並沒有這麼稱呼他的哲學或者他的邏輯學),卻很少有人提到無的概念。

其實,無的概念對於黑格爾的哲學來說要比對於老子的哲學更為重要。老子的哲學的核心是道與德,在對於道與德的認識的基礎上,老子推出為無為事無事的思想來。也就是說,無的概念在老子的哲學中是結論而不是出發點。但是對於黑格爾的邏輯學來說,存在與無是他的理論的出發點,他甚至說“哲學的起源就是空無[1]”。

老子的無與黑格爾的無的意義不盡相同。雖然從“有生於無”,“復歸於無極”這兩句話中我們可以體會到老子的“無”中所具有的絕對意義,但是,從《道德經》的整體來看,老子的無所強調的是“有無相生”及“故有之以為利,無之以為用”的相對意義。而黑格爾雖然也談及相對的無,但是作為他的哲學的出發點的卻是具有絕對意義的純無。這個純無的思想其實可以追溯到古希臘的巴門尼德[2]的“從無只能產生無”的說法。但是,黑格爾也強調他的無與巴門尼德的無不同,他強調他的無裡面含有存在,他的存在裡面含有無。在他的名著《邏輯學》中,黑格爾從尋求哲學的起點出發得出結論說,純存在與純無是統一體[3]甚至更進一步說,純存在與純無既完全是一回事,又是不同的[4]可以說,整個黑格爾的邏輯學的基本思路就是存在與無之間的轉化,正如他指出的那樣,那是他哲學出發點,也就是基礎。

過去在學校學辯證法時,課本上寫着發展變化是一切的本質,老師也會舉出各種發展變化的例子來,但實際上,在發展變化這點上黑格爾走的更遠,他認為宇宙間的一切都是由存在與無之間的瞬間轉化。在這點上他的無的概念又接近老子的“無極”和“有生於無”的具有絕對意義的無的概念。但是,老子的“有無相生”本身強調的是相對,而黑格爾的存在與無的統一和轉化強調的是一種絕對意義上的純存在和純無之間的轉化。

對於哲學的出發點和存在以及無之間的關係黑格爾花了上萬字來討論,這是黑格爾的風格,他的前輩歌德對於黑格爾追求大而全的風格很不以為然,而應該算是他的晚輩的叔本華更因此而說黑格爾以及喜歡黑格爾的人都是瘋子。叔本華的言論當然過於偏激(從網上他的照片看來就是一個火爆脾氣的相貌J),但是,如果你細讀黑格爾的論述確實可以發現在很多時候他好象確實是在繞着圈子說話,打個比方說,就好似一個人試圖描述一群大象在嬉戲吃草,卻迴避使用“大象”,“灰色”,“厚皮”,“草”,“動物”這樣的詞彙。雖然我這個比方並不恰當,但是讀者如果能夠從中感受到那樣做的難度就能體會一下叔本華對於黑格爾的論述之惱火的感覺了。

其實黑格爾通過尋求哲學的出發點來論證純無與純存在的思路本身並不複雜,但卻是有錯誤的,只不過他花了幾萬字來論述之後,你就不但不容易理解他的論述,更不容易看出他的錯誤來。如果我們按照他的論述的基本思路來將其簡化為要點,我們就容易理解黑格爾的論證邏輯以及其中的缺陷或錯誤了。

他的論證的基本邏輯其實可以簡化成這樣一句話:哲學的邏輯是用來解釋一切的,如果哲學有起點,那麼它的起點一定不能用其它的東西來解釋,否則就會出現自己解釋自己的循環論證的錯誤;而哲學的出發點是存在的。

這就是他的基本邏輯。首先,關於哲學的出發點是存在的這一點,他沒有給出證明,只是說哲學的出發點既是immediate又是mediated。

這裡需要再解釋一點:黑格爾哲學的一大難點,一個你上網去查會發現連專業黑學家也說不清楚甚至承認說不清楚的難點就是他的“immediate”和“mediated”的概念。其實,如果那些(承認說不清的)黑學家靜下心來仔細咀嚼一下可以發現這兩個概念並沒有那麼難,它們是把康德的現象與本體的概念深化進一步抽象深化的結果,這裡的“immediate”就是能夠直接感受到的,而“mediated”就是需要推論出的。

當他在《邏輯學》中提出哲學的出發點是immediacy的時候的語氣是直敘的,是一種結論。雖然以這種結論也可以被解釋為他自己感受到了那個出發點因而他說它是immediacy;但如果我們仔細咀嚼他的幾萬字的論述,可以認為他的意思是:既然哲學是用來對其它事情進行邏輯解釋的,那麼它的出發點一定是可以用來解釋其它的,而如果它是用來解釋其它的,那麼它一定是可以感受到的immediacy。黑格爾又說哲學的出發點同時又是mediated,這一點其實更容易理解,因為黑格爾能想到哲學出發點是immediacy這點本身就是經過推論得出的。

這裡需要強調是,哲學的出發點是存在的這一點是黑格爾的論述中必須的前提,沒有了這個前提他通過尋求哲學的出發點來指出純存在與純無是統一體的論證就不成立了。但同時我也要指出一點:黑格爾所說的哲學的出發點是存在的這一點是錯誤的或至少是有缺陷的。我不打算在這裡討論它為什麼是錯誤的,讀者可以自己去思考其中的原因。但是由於他沒證明這一前提,所以我們只能將之作為他的一個有缺陷的假設。

我們或許可以將他認為哲學的出發點是存在的的邏輯與數學上的構造法進行類比,也就是說如果他找出了出發點,那麼就證明出發點是存在的;但是因為他在尋找這個出發點時已經用到了那個作為哲學的絕對出發點是存在的假設,所以這個類比不是非常恰當。另外,數學上也常會先假設某個解存在,然後得出合理的結果,於是證明先前的假設成立,我們或許可以將他的做法與數學上的這種做法進行類比。但是如果你認同我所說的哲學的出發點是存在的這一點是錯誤或至少是有缺陷的,那麼那樣的類比也就有問題了。

但不管黑格爾所說的哲學的出發點是存在的這一點是否合理,那是他通過尋求哲學出發點來論證純存在與純無關係的必要前提。

更多的讀者或許對於“哲學的邏輯用來解釋一切的”的質疑要大過對於“哲學的起點是存在的”的質疑,尤其是當我們得知了哥德爾的邏輯不完備和不相容原理之後。不過,哲學的邏輯可以解釋一切這本身從語義上來說與歌德爾的理論不矛盾,因為哲學本身是一個開放體系。當然,黑格爾尋求哲學的出發點這種做法本身似乎與哲學是開放體系的說法不很協調。不管怎麼說,這裡不是細究黑格爾如何能讓黑格爾的前提更合理的地方,我們只需知道他的論述的前提並不像他聲稱的那樣是非常合理的。在這個前提下,我們不妨把想象中具有出發點且能解釋所有問題的理論的總體稱作哲學,因而勉強接受黑格爾的上述基本邏輯。

在接受了黑格爾的上述基本邏輯之後,我們可以繼續看他的論述。他接下來的邏輯是:

既然哲學可以解釋一切,而哲學的起點是存在的,那麼哲學的起點一定不能被任何其它東西來解釋,因此哲學的起點一定是空的;我們又能感受到哲學起點,因此它一定是存在(being)。將這兩點結合起來,我們就可以說,哲學的起點是一個沒有任何內容空的存在(being),也就是純存在(Pure being)。否則的話,如果這個起點不空,我們就能對它進行描述,一旦我們能對它進行描述,我們就能用其它東西對所描述的內容進行解釋,因此它就不是最基本的起點了。所以,哲學的起點一定是空的存在,也就是純存在。

但是,另一方面,哲學的起點不包含任何內容這一點決定了它一定是無,而且是絕對的空無。絕對的空無與一般的無的區別在於,一般的無是相對的,比如說“這裡沒有人”這句話的“沒有”的意義是相對於“有人”而言的,而絕對的空無是沒有參照物,就是純粹的無。在這個意義上說它甚至比老子的“無極”還要純,因為老子的“復歸於無極”的說法多少含有對於之前的有的對比,而黑格爾的無是沒有任何參照的。

之所以說哲學的起點是沒有任何參照的純無是因為如果你能給出任何參照,比如人,那麼你就可以對那個參照進行解釋,它就不是黑格爾意義上(或黑格爾想象中)的絕對起點了。

既然哲學的起點既是純存在又是純無,那麼純存在就是純無。

但是,當得出這個結論時,估計是語義上差異讓黑格爾絕對不舒服了,他又不得不指出純存在既是純無又不是純無,兩者之間瞬間彼此轉化,而哲學的起點是純存在與純無的統一體。

估計黑格爾這麼折騰的時候還沒輪到叔本華罵他自己心裡就也開始不舒服了,於是他開始為他的理論找依據。找來找去在過去兩千多年的歷史上只找到了一個依據,那就是赫拉克利特的萬物瞬間變化的理論。這就使得黑格爾對於自己關於純存在就是純無而又不是純無,而哲學的起點是純存在與純無的統一體的這個能讓叔本華跳腳的說法心安理得了。

如果讀者覺得我上面的論述有些囉嗦,那麼請閉上眼睛想想把上面的這段論述還原到黑格爾的幾萬字(單詞。。。英語同樣內容的單詞數還比中文少)的時候會是什麼樣的。

不要以為黑格爾這裡只是玩文字遊戲,這上面的邏輯是用來構築他的整個哲學(或者說他的邏輯學)大廈的基礎。

人類哲學史上或者說人類文明史上最荒唐的一點就是把黑格爾的邏輯學加上辯證兩個字之後用它來批判形而上學。現在那些主流哲學家們意識到當初他們那麼做是錯誤的了。他們現在開始說黑格爾的辯證邏輯就是形而上學。細究起來這種說法也沒什麼問題,因為黑格爾的所謂辯證邏輯並非傳統意義上形式邏輯。對於黑格爾來說,邏輯本身是絕對理念的思維法則,這使得黑格爾的邏輯涵蓋了傳統上的形而上學所關心的包括方法論在內的存在的普適模式的議題。

但是,如果簡單地把黑格爾的邏輯學(既後人所謂的辯證邏輯)稱為形而上學而不加特別解釋的話也很容易造成人們對於黑格爾的哲學的誤解。黑格爾在他的《邏輯學》一書中其實用了大量篇幅去用他的存在與無的統一與相互轉化的思路去分析如質與量,有限與無限這些在他之前已被討論了數千年的形而上學的概念之間的關係。如果我們簡單地說黑格爾的邏輯學就是形而上學,會讓對哲學史缺乏了解的年輕學生們誤以為黑格爾第一個提出這些概念的(其實我上中學的時候老師就是這麼說的,儘管那時他在批形而上學,卻把那些原本屬於形而上學的概念說成是黑格爾第一個提出的辯證法的概念)。

所以,恰當地做法應該是指出黑格爾的邏輯學中屬於邏輯的部分,或者說屬於他認為是邏輯的部分,和他所分析的原本就屬於形而上學的概念,以及他的邏輯學的整體與形而上學和傳統的形式邏輯之間的關係,這樣才不至於對年輕的學生們造成誤導。

黑格爾在他的《邏輯學》的前言中明確將他的邏輯理論與形而上學做了區別,但絕不是後來很多專業哲學界人士所說的是否定形而上學。恰恰相反,他在那裡對當時人們荒棄形而上學的現象表示了痛心疾首。

如果哲學學系的學生們來讀讀本文,相信得到他們的課本所不能提供的幫助的J。。。



[1] “....this emptiness, is therefore simply as such the beginning of philosophy.”, science of logic, Hegel, URL: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlbegin.htm#HL1_67

[2] On Nature, Parmenide, translated by John Burnet 1892, URL: http://philoctetes.free.fr/parmenidesunicode.htm

[3] “The analysis of the beginning would thus yield the notion of the unity of being and nothing” science of logic, Hegel, URL: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlbegin.htm#HL1_67

 

[4] “Pure Being and pure nothing are, therefore, the same. What is the truth is neither being nor nothing, but that being — does not pass over but has passed over — into nothing, and nothing into being. But it is equally true that they are not undistinguished from each other, that, on the contrary, they are not the same, that they are absolutely distinct, and yet that they are unseparated and inseparable and that each immediately vanishes in its opposite. Their truth is therefore, this movement of the immediate vanishing of the one into the other: becoming, a movement in which both are distinguished, but by a difference which has equally immediately resolved itself. ”, science of logic, Hegel, URL: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlbegin.htm#HL1_67

 


瀏覽(1310) (2) 評論(9)
發表評論
文章評論
作者:慕容青草 留言時間:2017-01-11 14:40:56

在本文里我提到這麼一段話:

但是,當得出這個結論時,估計是語義上差異讓黑格爾絕對不舒服了,他又不得不指出純存在既是純無又不是純無,兩者之間瞬間彼此轉化,而哲學的起點是純存在與純無的統一體。

估計黑格爾這麼折騰的時候還沒輪到叔本華罵他自己心裡就也開始不舒服了,於是他開始為他的理論找依據。找來找去在過去兩千多年的歷史上只找到了一個依據,那就是赫拉克利特的萬物瞬間變化的理論。這就使得黑格爾對於自己關於純存在就是純無而又不是純無,而哲學的起點是純存在與純無的統一體的這個能讓叔本華跳腳的說法心安理得了。”

如果有讀者對於我這段話不以為然,請看下面這幾段黑格爾的原話:

§ 147

Another contributory reason for the repugnance to the proposition about being and nothing must be mentioned; this is that the result of considering being and nothing, as expressed in the statement: being and nothing are one and the same, is incomplete. The emphasis is laid chiefly on their being one and the same, as in judgments generally, where it is the predicate that first states what the subject is. Consequently, the sense seems to be that the difference is denied, although at the same time it appears directly in the proposition; for this enunciates both determinations, being and nothing, and contains them as distinguished. At the same time, the intention cannot be that abstraction should be made from them and only the unity retained. Such a meaning would self-evidently be one-sided, because that from which abstraction is to be made is equally present and named in the proposition. Now in so far as the proposition: being and nothing are the same, asserts the identity of these determinations, but, in fact, equally contains them both as distinguished, the proposition is self-contradictory and cancels itself out. Bearing this in mind and looking at the proposition more closely, we find that it has a movement which involves the spontaneous vanishing of the proposition itself. But in thus vanishing, there takes place in it that which is to constitute its own peculiar content, namely, becoming.

§ 148

The proposition thus contains the result, it is this in its own self. But the fact to which we must pay attention here is the defect that the result is not itself expressed in the proposition; it is an external reflection which discerns it therein. In this connection we must, at the outset, make this general observation, namely, that the proposition in the form of a judgment is not suited to express speculative truths; a familiarity with this fact is likely to remove many misunderstandings of speculative truths. Judgment is an identical relation between subject and predicate; in it we abstract from the fact that the subject has a number of determinatenesses other than that of the predicate, and also that the predicate is more extensive than the subject. Now if the content is speculative, the non-identical aspect of subject and predicate is also an essential moment, but in the judgment this is not expressed. It is the form of simple judgment, when it is used to express speculative results, which is very often responsible for the paradoxical and bizarre light in which much of recent philosophy appears to those who are not familiar with speculative thought.

§ 149

To help express the speculative truth, the deficiency is made good in the first place by adding the contrary proposition: being and nothing are not the same, which is also enunciated as above. But thus there arises the further defect that these propositions are not connected, and therefore exhibit their content only in the form of an antinomy whereas their content refers to one and the same thing, and the determinations which are expressed in the two propositions are supposed to be in complete union-a union which can only be stated as an unrest of incompatibles, as a movement. The commonest injustice done to a speculative content is to make it one-sided, that is, to give prominence only to one of the propositions into which it can be resolved. It cannot then be denied that this proposition is asserted; but the statement is just as false as it is true, for once one of the propositions is taken out of the speculative content, the other must at least be equally considered and stated. Particular mention must be made here of that, so to speak, unfortunate word, 'unity'. Unity, even more than identity, expresses a subjective reflection; it is taken especially as the relation which arises from comparison, from external reflection. When this reflection finds the same thing in two different objects, the resultant unity is such that there is presupposed the complete indifference to it of the objects themselves which are compared, so that this comparing and unity does not concern the objects themselves and is a procedure and a determining external to them. Unity, therefore, expresses wholly abstract sameness and sounds all the more blatantly paradoxical the more the terms of which it is asserted show themselves to be sheer opposites. So far then, it would be better to, say only unseparatedness and inseparability, but then the affirmative aspect of the relation of the whole would not find expression.

§ 150

Thus the whole true result which we have here before us is becoming, which is not merely the one-sided or abstract unity of being and nothing. It consists rather in this movement, that pure being is immediate and simple, and for that very reason is equally pure nothing, that there is a difference between them, but a difference which no less sublates itself and is not. The result, therefore, equally asserts the difference of being and nothing, but as a merely fancied or imagined difference.

§ 151

It is the common opinion that being is rather the sheer other of nothing and that nothing is clearer than their absolute difference, and nothing seems easier than to be able to state it. But it is equally easy to convince oneself that this is impossible, that it is unsayable. Let those who insist that being and nothing are different tackle the problem of stating in what the difference consists. If being and nothing had any determinateness by which they were distinguished from each other then, as has been observed, they would be determinate being and determinate nothing, not the pure being and pure nothing that here they still are. Their difference is therefore completely empty, each of them is in the same way indeterminate; the difference, then, exists not in themselves but in a third, in subjective opinion. Opinion, however, is a form of subjectivity which is not proper to an exposition of this kind. But the third in which being and nothing subsist must also present itself here, and it has done so; it is becoming. In this being and nothng are distinct moments; becoming only is, in so, in so far as they are distinguished. This third is an other than they; they subsist only in an other, which is equivalent to saying that they are not self-subsistent.

Becoming is as much the subsistence of being as it is of non-being; or, their subsistence is only their being in a one. It is just this their subsistence that equally sublates their difference.

回復 | 0
作者:慕容青草 留言時間:2017-01-11 11:38:06

被關閉博及其他感興趣的朋友:

從下面這幾段黑格爾的原文可以看出,如我所述,黑格爾在論證他關於哲學的開頭的理論時,他的心目中已經先入為主地假設這個開頭一定是存在的:

§ 114

The foregoing shows quite clearly the reason why the beginning cannot be made with anything concrete, anything containing a relation within itself. For such presupposes an internal process of mediation and transition of which the concrete, now become simple, would be the result. But the beginning ought not itself to be already a first and an other; for anything which is in its own self a first and an other implies that an advance has already been made. Consequently, that which constitutes the beginning, the beginning itself, is to be taken as something unanalysable, taken in its simple, unfilled immediacy, and therefore as being, as the completely empty being.

§ 115

If impatience with the consideration of the abstract beginning should provoke anyone to say that the beginning should be made not with the beginning, but straightway with the subject matter itself, well then, this subject matter is nothing else but the said empty being; for what this subject matter is, that will be explicated only in the development of the science and cannot be presupposed by it as known beforehand.

§ 116

Whatever other form the beginning takes in the attempt to begin with something other than empty being, it will suffer from the defects already specified. Let those who are still dissatisfied with this beginning tackle the problem of avoiding these defects by beginning in some other way.

這種先入為主的假設是他的相關論述的致命邏輯要害。

回復 | 0
作者:慕容青草 回復 該博客已關閉 留言時間:2017-01-11 11:32:06

被關閉博:

不好意思,一直稱呼你為關閉博,但仔細猜測一下,你可能是被迫關閉,所以應該稱呼你為被關閉博。

in case 在你內心深處還有一絲這樣的疑慮:“到底是你慕容青草把否定循環邏輯作為黑格爾的《邏輯學》的邏輯前提還是黑格爾本人這樣論述”的話,考慮到你不太可能去讀黑格爾的原著,我這裡將黑格爾的相關原話的英譯版給你列出來:

Healthy common sense has so much lost its respect for the school which claims possession of such laws of truth and still busies itself with them that it ridicules it and its laws and regards anyone as insufferable who can utter truths in accordance with such laws: the plant is a plant, science is science. It has also formed an equally just estimate of the significance of the formulas which constitute the rules of syllogising which in fact is a cardinal function of the understanding (although it would be a mistake not to recognise that these have their place in cognition where they must be obeyed); it knows that the formulas quite as well serve impartially error and sophistry and that however truth may be defined, they cannot serve higher, for example, religious truth that generally speaking they concern only the correctness of the knowledge of facts, not truth itself.

-------Science of Logic, by Hegel, URL: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlprefac.htm#HL1_31 § 27

另外,對於給你的第一個跟帖的回覆如果你也有類似的疑慮的話,下面是黑格爾本人的解釋:

§ 114

The foregoing shows quite clearly the reason why the beginning cannot be made with anything concrete, anything containing a relation within itself. For such presupposes an internal process of mediation and transition of which the concrete, now become simple, would be the result. But the beginning ought not itself to be already a first and an other; for anything which is in its own self a first and an other implies that an advance has already been made. Consequently, that which constitutes the beginning, the beginning itself, is to be taken as something unanalysable, taken in its simple, unfilled immediacy, and therefore as being, as the completely empty being.

-------Science of Logic, by Hegel, URL: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlbegin.htm

黑格爾的這段解釋沒有我給你的解釋那麼簡單明確易懂,但是意思是一樣的,只不過他習慣性地要把簡單的問題說複雜了。

回復 | 0
作者:慕容青草 回復 該博客已關閉 留言時間:2017-01-01 16:39:12

關閉博:

對於你的第二個跟帖的問題本來不想回復,但是考慮到你的問題或許在其他讀者中也有代表性,猶豫再三,還是回復吧:

1)你的第二個問題屬於在質疑本文提到的黑格爾的邏輯前提。。。鑑於我已反覆指出我認為他的前提有錯誤或缺陷,所以儘管你的質疑與我認為他錯的理由不同,但畢竟殊途同歸,我不覺得有義務替黑格爾辯護,這是我不打算回復的原因。。。

2)我這裡討論的是黑格爾的一本題為《邏輯學》的著作,顧名思義,這裡講的是邏輯。。。當然,邏輯的涵義可以很廣,可以是傳統的形式邏輯,也可以是如你提到的語言邏輯,但是,黑格爾的邏輯既不是傳統的形式邏輯,也不是語言邏輯,是什麼邏輯呢?有人將它稱為辯證邏輯,什麼是辯證邏輯呢?那就是他的那本估計要有百萬字的《邏輯學》討論的內容,如果你有興趣不妨自己去讀一下那本書,細細地體會一下他所說的邏輯到底是什麼,畢竟別人怎麼說都不是黑格爾自己說的好。。。但是,不論黑格爾的邏輯到底是什麼,很顯然他沒有把他的邏輯等同於語言邏輯,而是認為他的邏輯是可以解釋所有的現象的,而且如同數學邏輯一樣是不允許循環證明的。。。

3)如果你非要用語言邏輯可以自己解釋自己來說明黑格爾是錯誤的,我也沒有必要及義務來替黑格爾做辯護,反正我自己都認為他的前提是有錯誤的,但是既然我們因為我的文章而友好地交換意見,那麼我也就是順便向朋友指出下面的第4)點:

4)研讀古典著作與考古有點類似。。。雖然我們希望能夠從古人的文章中得到智慧,但那並非唯一的目的。。研讀古典著作的另一個重要的目的是搞懂古人是怎麼想,理解古人的意思---即便你不認同他的意思,你也需要先弄清他的意思,然後再發表你的評論,而不是把你的意思強加給古人。。。。。。不知朋友在提出語言可以自己解釋自己的時候有沒有理解黑格爾在《邏輯學》中所討論的哲學的出發點時所針對的邏輯與語言之間有什麼不同?。。。

如果你的目的是用語言的解釋功能來嘲笑黑格爾在瞎掰,我沒有任何理由反對你也沒有任何理由為黑格爾辯護。。。我只想善意地提醒一下,語言邏輯不是黑格爾的《邏輯學》考慮的對象。。。。

回復 | 0
作者:慕容青草 留言時間:2017-01-01 11:44:41

祝大家新年好!

本文是希望給那些哲學系的學生提供點tips。。。專業哲學界對他們的誤導時間太長:)

至於這裡的好朋友們,大家各取所需:)

回復 | 0
作者:道還 留言時間:2017-01-01 09:19:07

慕容博好。你這裡所講的《老子》,是第二章,不是第一章,而第一章是最重要的,老子不是從二開始講。老子的論述總是按照道一二三萬物來的。有無相生是對善美這類對象而言的。第一章,同出而異名,是第二章中那種有無的“一”的根源,這個根源是玄而又玄,眾妙之門。

正如你大象的比喻,辯證法的轉圜需要辯證法之外的東西,但黑格爾有意地避而不談。這樣的辯證就成了黑是白,黑不是白;但這兩者之間的轉圜,不能從其本身得到,必須引入額外的東西。避而不談,就導致詭辯。老子的辯證是圓環的。所以老子的辯證並不是什麼樸素的辯證,而是搞哲學的人只能理解到這一步。

從柏拉圖的理型到黑格爾的純無,都是“死”的。這樣的哲學只能認識杯子,桌子一類的對象,無法認識河流,春天,等對象。這個問題在老莊學術中可以得到解決。你如有興趣,可以參見拙著:https://books.google.com/books?id=VQC-DQAAQBAJ&pg

回復 | 0
作者:該博客已關閉 回復 慕容青草 留言時間:2017-01-01 06:57:53

看來博文已經修改了。

【哲學的邏輯是用來解釋一切的,如果哲學有起點,那麼它的起點一定不能用其它的東西來解釋,否則就會出現自己解釋自己的循環論證的錯誤;而哲學的出發點是存在的。】

實際上,我認為,【否則就會出現自己解釋自己的循環論證的錯誤】這個結論,可以商榷。

自己解釋自己的現象是存在的,比如人類的語言。

更加廣義地講,宇宙出現精神世界,就是宇宙自己解釋自己的一種方式;精神世界裡解釋精神世界,也是一種自己解釋自己。

新年快樂!

回復 | 0
作者:慕容青草 回復 該博客已關閉 留言時間:2016-12-31 20:15:33

朋友:

你的那個問題不難回答。。先說明一下,我後來覺得起點一詞可能容易引起誤會,將之改為出發點了。。。

回到你的問題,如果用來解釋其它問題的出發點不是空的,比如它具有ABC這個內容(這裡的ABC不是它的名字而是它的內容),那麼我們就可以問題ABC是什麼,你就要再對ABC進行解釋,這樣一來ABC就不是最基本的出發點了。。。所以,如果你能接受文中提出的黑格爾的基本邏輯前提,那麼你一定會象黑格爾那樣得出哲學的出發點必須是空的這個結論。。。

黑格爾的邏輯思維還是比較嚴格地。。。前幾年萬維有一網友用什麼絕對的絕對產生潛在然後產生在來構築他自己的哲學大廈。。。如果他能有黑格爾那樣的邏輯論證水平,那麼他的理論可能也會象黑格爾那樣紅起來了。。。不過那哥們不重視邏輯論證。。。人家黑格爾用了幾萬字論證也罷瞎謅也罷,有一套邏輯嚴格的理論擺在那裡,那哥們從他的絕對的絕對直接跳到他的潛在,然後跳到他的在,不需任何邏輯論證。。。

不過我倒是認為黑格爾的那個前提本身是有問題的。。。科學也罷,哲學也罷,對於高水平的人來說,其實最容易出錯的不是論證的過程而是前提。。。。。。以薛定諤貓為例,它的前提是貓不具備象人一樣的判斷條件,因此只有當人介入時才會出現幾率坍縮。。。但是,自那理論提出後代幾十年裡,生物心理學的發展表明動物的心理與人智慧之間的界限並不像薛定諤那個時代的人們以為的那樣明確,這樣一來,薛定諤貓的假說一下子就從根本上不成立了。。。。。。

哲學的一大功效是找出人們思維的前提條件中的問題,包括找出象黑格爾這樣的大哲學家的思維的前提條件中的缺陷。。。。

謝謝

祝賀新年!

回復 | 0
作者:該博客已關閉 留言時間:2016-12-31 19:36:06

不討論黑格爾哲學本身,僅僅討論邏輯上的問題。

【既然哲學可以解釋一切,而哲學的起點是存在的,那麼哲學的起點一定不能被任何其它東西來解釋,因此哲學的起點一定是空的】

這裡明顯的問題是,為什麼“哲學的起點一定是空的”?既然被稱為“哲學的起點”,這個起點就應該是哲學的,從而它是有特徵的,有內容的。

一種可能比較容易理解的解釋:“哲學的邏輯”應該就是哲學的起點,或者“哲學的邏輯”的公理就是哲學的起點。

回復 | 0
我的名片
慕容青草
來自: ny
註冊日期: 2007-08-15
訪問總量: 2,131,305 次
點擊查看我的個人資料
Calendar
我的公告欄
錯誤 vs 犯錯的原因
拆房
如何鎖定人類科學
20世紀物理學
複雜情勢下之最佳優先考慮
成功與別人的幫助
對抗真理的結果
舊房子的哲學
拔枯樹
站與踩
哲學是公開的密碼
普朗克論科學真理之傳播
黑格爾論學習的過程
黑格爾論邏輯
自勉
歡迎交流
最新發布
· 科普大網紅的又一個小忽悠
· Conceptual Separation of Unive
· 科技發展還能繼續解放勞動力嗎?
· 宇宙與空間之概念分離
· 造成目前理論物理困境的一個根本
· What is Right and Wrong with B
· AI的背叛?
存檔目錄
2025-12-05 - 2025-12-26
2025-11-04 - 2025-11-26
2025-10-01 - 2025-10-29
2025-09-30 - 2025-09-30
2025-06-01 - 2025-06-29
2025-05-03 - 2025-05-28
2025-04-04 - 2025-04-28
2025-03-03 - 2025-03-31
2025-02-05 - 2025-02-26
2025-01-05 - 2025-01-31
2024-12-02 - 2024-12-31
2024-11-05 - 2024-11-28
2024-10-02 - 2024-10-31
2024-09-01 - 2024-09-18
2024-08-01 - 2024-08-31
2024-07-02 - 2024-07-29
2024-06-01 - 2024-06-28
2024-05-02 - 2024-05-28
2024-04-01 - 2024-04-30
2024-03-02 - 2024-03-29
2024-02-03 - 2024-02-29
2024-01-01 - 2024-01-30
2023-12-05 - 2023-12-24
2023-11-06 - 2023-11-27
2023-10-02 - 2023-10-29
2023-09-01 - 2023-09-29
2023-08-01 - 2023-08-31
2023-07-01 - 2023-07-31
2023-06-01 - 2023-06-30
2023-05-02 - 2023-05-29
2023-04-04 - 2023-04-29
2023-03-03 - 2023-03-29
2023-02-01 - 2023-02-28
2023-01-01 - 2023-01-30
2022-12-02 - 2022-12-31
2022-11-02 - 2022-11-23
2022-10-09 - 2022-10-31
2022-09-01 - 2022-09-30
2022-08-01 - 2022-08-21
2022-07-02 - 2022-07-31
2022-06-15 - 2022-06-25
2022-05-06 - 2022-05-27
2022-04-07 - 2022-04-30
2022-03-03 - 2022-03-28
2022-02-01 - 2022-02-28
2022-01-01 - 2022-01-30
2021-12-01 - 2021-12-29
2021-11-02 - 2021-11-29
2021-10-02 - 2021-10-29
2021-09-08 - 2021-09-30
2021-08-08 - 2021-08-31
2021-07-18 - 2021-07-26
2021-06-03 - 2021-06-27
2021-05-04 - 2021-05-29
2021-04-04 - 2021-04-28
2021-03-08 - 2021-03-27
2021-02-12 - 2021-02-28
2021-01-04 - 2021-01-28
2020-12-02 - 2020-12-30
2020-11-01 - 2020-11-26
2020-10-06 - 2020-10-29
2020-09-01 - 2020-09-29
2020-08-06 - 2020-08-27
2020-07-02 - 2020-07-27
2020-06-07 - 2020-06-29
2020-05-01 - 2020-05-31
2020-04-17 - 2020-04-30
2020-03-08 - 2020-03-20
2020-02-20 - 2020-02-24
2020-01-10 - 2020-01-31
2019-12-02 - 2019-12-31
2019-11-07 - 2019-11-30
2019-10-07 - 2019-10-30
2019-09-14 - 2019-09-26
2019-08-13 - 2019-08-21
2019-07-23 - 2019-07-29
2019-06-06 - 2019-06-23
2019-05-05 - 2019-05-25
2019-04-01 - 2019-04-22
2019-03-07 - 2019-03-29
2019-02-09 - 2019-02-27
2019-01-01 - 2019-01-21
2018-12-01 - 2018-12-31
2018-11-04 - 2018-11-24
2018-10-01 - 2018-10-30
2018-09-01 - 2018-09-30
2018-08-01 - 2018-08-29
2018-07-02 - 2018-07-27
2018-06-02 - 2018-06-26
2018-05-13 - 2018-05-28
2018-04-03 - 2018-04-28
2018-03-02 - 2018-03-28
2018-02-10 - 2018-02-28
2018-01-08 - 2018-01-27
2017-12-06 - 2017-12-30
2017-11-09 - 2017-11-25
2017-10-15 - 2017-10-15
2017-09-05 - 2017-09-30
2017-08-05 - 2017-08-27
2017-07-14 - 2017-07-24
2017-06-09 - 2017-06-24
2017-05-02 - 2017-05-02
2017-04-04 - 2017-04-26
2017-03-02 - 2017-03-30
2017-02-02 - 2017-02-27
2017-01-25 - 2017-01-30
2016-12-04 - 2016-12-31
2016-11-16 - 2016-11-23
2016-10-04 - 2016-10-27
2016-09-08 - 2016-09-29
2016-08-02 - 2016-08-31
2016-07-02 - 2016-07-27
2016-06-08 - 2016-06-30
2016-05-02 - 2016-05-22
2016-04-01 - 2016-04-13
2016-03-06 - 2016-03-31
2016-02-07 - 2016-02-23
2016-01-18 - 2016-01-18
2015-12-04 - 2015-12-30
2015-11-02 - 2015-11-27
2015-10-25 - 2015-10-29
2015-09-06 - 2015-09-24
2015-07-11 - 2015-07-25
2015-06-22 - 2015-06-22
2015-05-01 - 2015-05-29
2015-04-14 - 2015-04-14
2015-03-07 - 2015-03-22
2015-02-02 - 2015-02-21
2015-01-20 - 2015-01-20
2014-12-06 - 2014-12-06
2014-11-08 - 2014-11-24
2014-10-03 - 2014-10-20
2014-09-09 - 2014-09-27
2014-08-16 - 2014-08-16
2014-07-12 - 2014-07-25
2014-06-08 - 2014-06-14
2014-05-09 - 2014-05-16
2014-04-02 - 2014-04-29
2014-03-01 - 2014-03-28
2014-02-03 - 2014-02-28
2014-01-02 - 2014-01-29
2013-12-02 - 2013-12-30
2013-11-02 - 2013-11-27
2013-10-02 - 2013-10-29
2013-09-02 - 2013-09-28
2013-08-02 - 2013-08-31
2013-07-01 - 2013-07-26
2013-06-05 - 2013-06-21
2013-05-06 - 2013-05-31
2013-04-08 - 2013-04-30
2013-03-01 - 2013-03-28
2013-02-07 - 2013-02-27
2013-01-11 - 2013-01-29
2012-12-01 - 2012-12-26
2012-11-15 - 2012-11-15
2012-10-07 - 2012-10-28
2012-09-05 - 2012-09-28
2012-08-24 - 2012-08-24
2012-07-03 - 2012-07-20
2012-06-02 - 2012-06-30
2012-05-01 - 2012-05-30
2012-04-03 - 2012-04-29
2012-03-01 - 2012-03-31
2012-02-03 - 2012-02-27
2012-01-29 - 2012-01-29
2011-12-02 - 2011-12-13
2011-11-06 - 2011-11-28
2011-10-12 - 2011-10-27
2011-09-24 - 2011-09-24
2011-08-04 - 2011-08-09
2011-07-02 - 2011-07-31
2011-06-06 - 2011-06-28
2011-05-09 - 2011-05-27
2011-04-18 - 2011-04-24
2011-03-10 - 2011-03-23
2011-02-10 - 2011-02-17
2011-01-14 - 2011-01-14
2010-11-26 - 2010-11-26
2010-10-13 - 2010-10-13
2010-09-12 - 2010-09-29
2010-08-22 - 2010-08-29
2010-07-05 - 2010-07-27
2010-06-12 - 2010-06-26
2010-05-09 - 2010-05-29
2010-04-11 - 2010-04-17
2010-03-10 - 2010-03-28
2010-02-16 - 2010-02-16
2010-01-04 - 2010-01-31
2009-12-04 - 2009-12-29
2009-11-22 - 2009-11-26
2009-06-03 - 2009-06-29
2009-05-13 - 2009-05-13
2009-02-13 - 2009-02-22
2009-01-14 - 2009-01-18
2008-12-08 - 2008-12-28
2008-11-01 - 2008-11-29
2008-10-04 - 2008-10-27
2008-09-12 - 2008-09-26
2008-08-01 - 2008-08-22
2008-07-15 - 2008-07-31
2008-06-07 - 2008-06-29
2008-05-01 - 2008-05-30
2008-04-19 - 2008-04-28
2008-02-02 - 2008-02-19
2008-01-08 - 2008-01-28
2007-11-01 - 2007-11-07
2007-10-02 - 2007-10-29
2007-09-04 - 2007-09-30
2007-08-15 - 2007-08-29
 
關於本站 | 廣告服務 | 聯繫我們 | 招聘信息 | 網站導航 | 隱私保護
Copyright (C) 1998-2025. Creaders.NET. All Rights Reserved.