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華為就是蒙古騎兵所到之處寸草不生浙大老通訊校友 2019-05-23 13:31:46

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華為 —— 成吉思汗同志的蒙古騎兵 所到之處 寸草不生


浙江大學校友微信群上一個校友發言:華為是個癌細胞


關於華為,作為一個大半輩子的老通訊人,我的態度很直接,

希望這種邪惡的企業早日關門大吉。這就是個癌細胞,

它走到哪裡,寸草不生。


1. 一個例子。有個30年前一起進入中國移動通訊行業的老兄弟,

現在自己做的公司,曾經花了好幾年投資開發了一點新東西,

去年出了成果,被華為看上找上門談合作,兩次會談就無疾

而終。然後,上個月整個原創團隊集體失蹤,華為宣布新產品

研發線開張。這就是所謂走別人的路、讓別人無路可走。

2..華為對於國內同行的無底線打壓,行內有口皆碑 … 恨不得

送它一墓碑。另一個例子。在中東,華為用負合同(就是不僅

不收客戶的錢,反而倒給運營商錢)搶市場,所向披靡,無論

國企外企的已運營系統被它全部拔光換上華為系統。


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這就不是一個企業,是成吉思汗的蒙古騎兵,

所到之處市場秩序一片狼藉。

3. 各種下流商業手段無所不用其極,它就像一隻饕餮巨獸,

只要它還沒飽,別人就必須餓着。有整個國家的財力為它背書,

有一國百姓的血汗錢供它揮霍,這世上沒有任何企業能和他

競爭。再說它的企業文化,996最早就是它發明的。

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早先,還沒狼性文化這種花詞兒,那時候叫軍事化管理。


4. 對內殘酷壓榨把員工當螺絲釘,對外用戰爭思維馳騁商場,

我一個老兄弟評價狼性文化:“別糟蹋狼了,狼有這麼不要臉

的嗎?”在我看來,華為就是這國的一個縮影,它的觀念、它

的文化、它的作為,是當下天朝叢林社會的一個微縮模型,

理解了華為,就理解了中國的現狀。


5. 因為民族主義支持華為的民眾,終究會淪為代價,一將功成

萬骨枯,也許他們會成為皇座下“自豪的”累累白骨,不是說

“縱做鬼,也幸福”嗎?正因為立足現實,所以才明白支持

華為這樣的經濟蒙古騎兵,就是在和中國的經濟轉型開玩笑,

就是對這個國家和民族的未來不負責任。

6. 不是因為大家都這樣、華為就可以接受甚至必須支持了,

中國農耕社會幾千年,這一國的人,每一個都是一腦袋小農觀念,

難道這樣就是正確了?就不需要轉型進入新的文明階段了?



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 華為公司副 / 輪值董事長徐直軍同志


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最新加罪 —— 誹謗誣陷栽贓華為輪值董事長徐直軍同志

   涉嫌參與竊取硅谷美國芯片初創公司商業機密的陰謀


 華為手機和平板留有23個後門,證據確鑿。

 無論在全球何地,會將你的隱私資料數據

 源源不斷傳回中國 ......

 這樣的可怕設備,你敢用嗎?



 中華民族的脊梁 —— 華為任正非同志重磅發聲:




   最愛胡錫進! 


   他總是不失時機地告訴人們真相!


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作者:老牛爺   留言時間:2019-05-23 14:29:35

這個指責也太沒道理了,華為惡性競爭是市場行為,

只要它能成功,能占領市場,能賺錢,那就是好樣的。


  掠奪性定價   Predatory Pricing


掠奪性定價又稱驅逐對手定價,是指企業為了把對手擠出市場和嚇退試圖

進入市場的潛在對手,而採取降低價格(甚至低於成本)的策略。 [1] 

目錄

1 基本信息

2 法律特徵

3 理論

4 實施條件

5 標準

6 認識

基本信息

掠奪性定價是一種不公平的低價行為,實施該行為的企業占有一定的市場支配

地位,他們具有資產雄厚、生產規模大、分散經營能力強等競爭優勢,所以有

能力承擔暫時故意壓低價格的利益損失,而一般的中小企業勢單力薄,無力

承擔這種犧牲。

其次,掠奪性定價是以排擠競爭對手為目的的故意行為,實施該行為的企業以

低於成本價銷售,會造成短期的利益損失,但是這樣做的目的是吸引消費者,

以此為代價擠走競爭對手,行為人在一定時間達到目的後,會提高銷售價格,

獨占市場。

掠奪性定價是現代產業組織理論的重要內容之一,長期以來關於其是否理性

一直有爭議。所謂掠奪性定價是指在位廠商將價格削減至對手平均成本之下,

以便將對手驅逐出市場或者遏制進入,即使遭受短期損失。一旦對手離開市場,

在位廠商就會提高價格以補償掠奪期損失。掠奪性定價理論主要包括認為掠奪性

定價非理性、不符合廠商的長期利潤最大化目標的芝加哥學派理論,以及通過

引入信息不對稱、認為掠奪性定價是廠商理性行為的後芝加哥學派理論。二者

之所以得出截然相反的結論,是因為關於信息的假定不一致。信息在掠奪性

定價理論的發展中起了至關重要的作用。因為掠奪性定價是廠商的一種策略性

行為,策略性行為就涉及到廠商之間的互動,互動就需要了解對手,猜測對方。

因而不同的信息假定得出不同的結論就不足為怪了。信息可以分為完全信息和

不完全信息。芝加哥學派的結論是建立在完全信息的基礎之上。而後芝加哥學派

就是通過引入信息不對稱——單邊或雙邊不確定,利用博弈論方法來研究掠奪性

定價是否理性的問題。

法律特徵

1、其主體為處於賣方地位的經營者,且該經營者具有一定的經濟或技術實力。

該特徵使其與價格歧視相區別,後者不僅包括賣方之間的競爭,也包括買方之間

的競爭。

2、其地域市場為一國的國內市場。此特徵使其與“傾銷”相區別。“傾銷”是

指以低於國內市場的價格在海外市場大宗銷售商品的行為。可見,兩者在“低價

銷售”和“排擠競爭對手”兩方面有相似之處,但它們的區別是明顯的。

(1)兩者的適用範圍不同。“掠奪性定價”適用於國內貿易,而“傾銷”適用

於國際貿易。

(2)兩者的認定標準不同。“掠奪性定價”以成本為標準,而“傾銷”則以

國內同類產品的正常交易時適用的價格為其標準。

(3)兩者適用的法律不同。“掠奪性定價”主要適用本國法律,而“傾銷”則

主要適用國際條約或其他國家的法律。

(4)兩者的後果不同。對“掠奪性定價”的法律制裁是損害賠償或行政處罰,

而對“傾銷”則為徵收反傾銷稅。

據此,我們認為,我國立法及理論上將本屬“掠奪性定價”的行為也稱之為

“傾銷”,易使人們對本已約定俗成的“傾銷”概念的理解出現混淆,不利於

國際貿易的發展。

3、其客觀表現為暫時以低於成本的價格在市場上連續地銷售其商品或提供勞務。

它的實質是寧願暫時虧本,也要把競爭對手從一定的市場上擠出,形成獨占局面,

然後以壟斷高價銷售,這樣做不僅可以彌補它進行低價虧本銷售所造成的損失,

而且還可以謀取高額的壟斷利潤。

4、其行為者的主觀故意是試圖排擠競爭對手,以謀求壟斷地位。但在實踐中,

“掠奪性定價”並不象它的直接目的那樣消除競爭對手,而可能是引誘、說服

或威脅競爭對手與之進行合作或在一些壟斷性方案上與之合作。


       Predatory  Pricing

REVIEWED BY WILL KENTON   Updated Apr 11, 2019

What is Predatory Pricing?

Predatory pricing is the illegal act of setting prices low in an attempt to eliminate the competition. Predatory pricing violates antitrust law, as it makes markets more vulnerable to a monopoly.

However, allegations of this practice can be difficult to prosecute because defendants may successfully argue that low prices are part of normal competition, rather than a deliberate attempt to undermine the marketplace. And predatory pricing isn't always successful in its goal, due to the difficulties in recouping lost revenue and successfully eliminating competitors.

Effects of Predatory Pricing

A price war spurred by predatory pricing can be favorable for consumers in the short run. The heightened competition may create a buyers’ market in which the consumer enjoys not only lower prices but increased leverage and wider choice.

However, should the price battle succeed in slaying all, or even some, of the market competitors, the advantages for consumers may quickly evaporate—or even reverse. A monopolistic marketplace might allow the company that holds the monopoly to raise prices as they wish, perhaps reducing consumer choice in the bargain.

Fortunately for consumers, creating a sustained market monopoly is no simple matter. For one, eliminating all rival businesses in a given market often comes with considerable challenges. For instance, in an area with numerous gas stations, it's usually daunting for any one operator to cut prices low enough, for long enough, to drive out all competitors. Even if such an effort worked, the strategy would succeed only if the revenue lost through predatory pricing could be recouped quickly—before many other competitors might enter the market, drawn by a return to normal price levels.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

In predatory pricing scheme, prices are set low in an attempt to drive our competitors and create a monopoly

Consumers may benefit from lower prices in the short term, but then suffer if the scheme succeeds in eliminating competition, and prices rise and choice declines

Prosecutions for predatory pricing have been complicated by the short-term consumer benefits and the difficulty of proving the intent to create a market monopoly

Dumping as Predatory Pricing

There's even risk in a predatory-pricing practice known as dumping, in which the predator attempts to conquer a new foreign market by selling goods there, at least temporarily, for less than they charge at home. The challenge, especially in an increasingly global market, lies in preventing the "dumped" goods from being bought abroad and resold in the lucrative home market.

A famous cautionary tale from the early 20th century involves dumping into the U.S. by a German cartel that controlled the European market for bromine, an essential ingredient in many medicines as well as a vital element to photography. After American company Dow Chemical exported competitively priced bromine to Europe, the Germans retaliated by selling bromine in the U.S. at below their manufacturing cost. Dow responded by simply buying the bromine stateside at the dumped price and reselling it profitably in Europe, which allowed the company to strengthen its European customer base at the expense of the German cartel.

Predatory Pricing and the Law

The same factors that make predatory pricing beneficial to consumers, at least in the short run— and often of dubious benefit to the predators, at least in the long run—have tended to hamper prosecution of supposed predators under U.S. antitrust laws.

The Federal Trade Commission says it carefully examines claims of predatory pricing. In turn, the Department of Justice, in a paper updated as recently as 2015, has asserted that economic theory based on strategic analysis supports that predatory pricing is a real problem, and that courts have adopted an overly cautious view of the practice.

The U.S. judiciary has indeed often been skeptical of claims of predatory pricing. Among the high bars set by the U.S. Supreme Court on antitrust claims is the requirement that plaintiffs show a likelihood that the pricing practices will affect not only rivals but also competition in the market as a whole, in order to establish that there is a substantial probability of success of the attempt to monopolize. Further, the Court established that for prices to be predatory, they must be not simply aggressively low but actually below the seller's cost.

That said, it is not a violation of the law if a business sets prices below its own costs for reasons other than having a specific strategy to eliminate competitors.


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作者:老牛爺 回復 辛亥革命 留言時間:2019-05-26 18:42:39

Trump舉全國之力 封殺華為, 符合“商業法”?

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作者:辛亥革命 回復 老牛爺 留言時間:2019-05-25 11:00:37

西方就是崇尚叢林法則??????

你生活在18,19世紀?你有沒有聽說過一個叫‘商業法’的東東??????

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作者:辛亥革命 回復 health is no.1 留言時間:2019-05-25 10:56:57

大公司都用這種下三濫手段?至少得在法律框架下吧?

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作者:老牛爺 回復 wangqinbichu 留言時間:2019-05-24 14:52:44

西方就是崇尚叢林法則,怎麼到華為就不可以了?你經濟學學的好,說說?

華為的惡性競爭比起美國的封殺那是小巫見大巫了。

老美:華為就是偷技術嘛,5G也是偷得

華為:你們美國還沒G5,我們怎麼偷啊?老美:沒偷5G,也偷了4G3G,反正就是偷了。

狼吃小羊的理由就是牙齒。

華為狼性就是學西方的.

再說一句,思想不是課堂上學來的,像你這種用101搞經濟,死都不知道怎麼死的。

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作者:老牛爺 回復 wangqinbichu 留言時間:2019-05-24 14:41:24

西方就是崇尚叢林法則,怎麼到華為就不可以了?你經濟學學的好,說說?

G華為的惡性競爭比起美國的封殺那是小巫見大巫了。

老美:華為就是偷技術嘛,5G也是偷得華為:你們美國還沒G5,我們怎麼偷啊?老美:沒偷5G,也偷了4G3G,反正就是偷了。

狼吃小羊的理由就是牙齒。

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作者:wangqinbichu 回復 老牛爺 留言時間:2019-05-23 21:23:30

這位仁兄,你不僅沒學過經濟學101,連負101都沒學過,外行到了十萬八千里之外。

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作者:Pascal 留言時間:2019-05-23 19:57:28

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作者:health is no.1 留言時間:2019-05-23 19:18:02

1. 你認為你聽說的是事實嗎?

2. 那個大公司不是把對手扼殺在搖籃之中?

商場如戰場,不是你死就是我活。你要是仁慈,你就被消滅!

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作者:Pascal 留言時間:2019-05-23 17:02:00

掠奪性定價

Predatory Pricing

掠奪性定價又稱驅逐對手定價,是指企業為了把對手擠出市場和嚇退試圖

進入市場的潛在對手,而採取降低價格(甚至低於成本)的策略。 [1]

目錄

1 基本信息

2 法律特徵

3 理論

4 實施條件

5 標準

6 認識

基本信息

掠奪性定價是一種不公平的低價行為,實施該行為的企業占有一定的市場支配

地位,他們具有資產雄厚、生產規模大、分散經營能力強等競爭優勢,所以有

能力承擔暫時故意壓低價格的利益損失,而一般的中小企業勢單力薄,無力

承擔這種犧牲。

其次,掠奪性定價是以排擠競爭對手為目的的故意行為,實施該行為的企業以

低於成本價銷售,會造成短期的利益損失,但是這樣做的目的是吸引消費者,

以此為代價擠走競爭對手,行為人在一定時間達到目的後,會提高銷售價格,

獨占市場。

掠奪性定價是現代產業組織理論的重要內容之一,長期以來關於其是否理性

一直有爭議。所謂掠奪性定價是指在位廠商將價格削減至對手平均成本之下,

以便將對手驅逐出市場或者遏制進入,即使遭受短期損失。一旦對手離開市場,

在位廠商就會提高價格以補償掠奪期損失。掠奪性定價理論主要包括認為掠奪性

定價非理性、不符合廠商的長期利潤最大化目標的芝加哥學派理論,以及通過

引入信息不對稱、認為掠奪性定價是廠商理性行為的後芝加哥學派理論。二者

之所以得出截然相反的結論,是因為關於信息的假定不一致。信息在掠奪性

定價理論的發展中起了至關重要的作用。因為掠奪性定價是廠商的一種策略性

行為,策略性行為就涉及到廠商之間的互動,互動就需要了解對手,猜測對方。

因而不同的信息假定得出不同的結論就不足為怪了。信息可以分為完全信息和

不完全信息。芝加哥學派的結論是建立在完全信息的基礎之上。而後芝加哥學派

就是通過引入信息不對稱——單邊或雙邊不確定,利用博弈論方法來研究掠奪性

定價是否理性的問題。

法律特徵

1、其主體為處於賣方地位的經營者,且該經營者具有一定的經濟或技術實力。

該特徵使其與價格歧視相區別,後者不僅包括賣方之間的競爭,也包括買方之間

的競爭。

2、其地域市場為一國的國內市場。此特徵使其與“傾銷”相區別。“傾銷”是

指以低於國內市場的價格在海外市場大宗銷售商品的行為。可見,兩者在“低價

銷售”和“排擠競爭對手”兩方面有相似之處,但它們的區別是明顯的。

(1)兩者的適用範圍不同。“掠奪性定價”適用於國內貿易,而“傾銷”適用

於國際貿易。

(2)兩者的認定標準不同。“掠奪性定價”以成本為標準,而“傾銷”則以

國內同類產品的正常交易時適用的價格為其標準。

(3)兩者適用的法律不同。“掠奪性定價”主要適用本國法律,而“傾銷”則

主要適用國際條約或其他國家的法律。

(4)兩者的後果不同。對“掠奪性定價”的法律制裁是損害賠償或行政處罰,

而對“傾銷”則為徵收反傾銷稅。

據此,我們認為,我國立法及理論上將本屬“掠奪性定價”的行為也稱之為

“傾銷”,易使人們對本已約定俗成的“傾銷”概念的理解出現混淆,不利於

國際貿易的發展。

3、其客觀表現為暫時以低於成本的價格在市場上連續地銷售其商品或提供勞務。

它的實質是寧願暫時虧本,也要把競爭對手從一定的市場上擠出,形成獨占局面,

然後以壟斷高價銷售,這樣做不僅可以彌補它進行低價虧本銷售所造成的損失,

而且還可以謀取高額的壟斷利潤。

4、其行為者的主觀故意是試圖排擠競爭對手,以謀求壟斷地位。但在實踐中,

“掠奪性定價”並不象它的直接目的那樣消除競爭對手,而可能是引誘、說服

或威脅競爭對手與之進行合作或在一些壟斷性方案上與之合作。

Predatory Pricing

REVIEWED BY WILL KENTON Updated Apr 11, 2019

What is Predatory Pricing?

Predatory pricing is the illegal act of setting prices low in an attempt to eliminate the competition. Predatory pricing violates antitrust law, as it makes markets more vulnerable to a monopoly.

However, allegations of this practice can be difficult to prosecute because defendants may successfully argue that low prices are part of normal competition, rather than a deliberate attempt to undermine the marketplace. And predatory pricing isn't always successful in its goal, due to the difficulties in recouping lost revenue and successfully eliminating competitors.

Effects of Predatory Pricing

A price war spurred by predatory pricing can be favorable for consumers in the short run. The heightened competition may create a buyers’ market in which the consumer enjoys not only lower prices but increased leverage and wider choice.

However, should the price battle succeed in slaying all, or even some, of the market competitors, the advantages for consumers may quickly evaporate—or even reverse. A monopolistic marketplace might allow the company that holds the monopoly to raise prices as they wish, perhaps reducing consumer choice in the bargain.

Fortunately for consumers, creating a sustained market monopoly is no simple matter. For one, eliminating all rival businesses in a given market often comes with considerable challenges. For instance, in an area with numerous gas stations, it's usually daunting for any one operator to cut prices low enough, for long enough, to drive out all competitors. Even if such an effort worked, the strategy would succeed only if the revenue lost through predatory pricing could be recouped quickly—before many other competitors might enter the market, drawn by a return to normal price levels.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

In predatory pricing scheme, prices are set low in an attempt to drive our competitors and create a monopoly

Consumers may benefit from lower prices in the short term, but then suffer if the scheme succeeds in eliminating competition, and prices rise and choice declines

Prosecutions for predatory pricing have been complicated by the short-term consumer benefits and the difficulty of proving the intent to create a market monopoly

Dumping as Predatory Pricing

There's even risk in a predatory-pricing practice known as dumping, in which the predator attempts to conquer a new foreign market by selling goods there, at least temporarily, for less than they charge at home. The challenge, especially in an increasingly global market, lies in preventing the "dumped" goods from being bought abroad and resold in the lucrative home market.

A famous cautionary tale from the early 20th century involves dumping into the U.S. by a German cartel that controlled the European market for bromine, an essential ingredient in many medicines as well as a vital element to photography. After American company Dow Chemical exported competitively priced bromine to Europe, the Germans retaliated by selling bromine in the U.S. at below their manufacturing cost. Dow responded by simply buying the bromine stateside at the dumped price and reselling it profitably in Europe, which allowed the company to strengthen its European customer base at the expense of the German cartel.

Predatory Pricing and the Law

The same factors that make predatory pricing beneficial to consumers, at least in the short run— and often of dubious benefit to the predators, at least in the long run—have tended to hamper prosecution of supposed predators under U.S. antitrust laws.

The Federal Trade Commission says it carefully examines claims of predatory pricing. In turn, the Department of Justice, in a paper updated as recently as 2015, has asserted that economic theory based on strategic analysis supports that predatory pricing is a real problem, and that courts have adopted an overly cautious view of the practice.

The U.S. judiciary has indeed often been skeptical of claims of predatory pricing. Among the high bars set by the U.S. Supreme Court on antitrust claims is the requirement that plaintiffs show a likelihood that the pricing practices will affect not only rivals but also competition in the market as a whole, in order to establish that there is a substantial probability of success of the attempt to monopolize. Further, the Court established that for prices to be predatory, they must be not simply aggressively low but actually below the seller's cost.

That said, it is not a violation of the law if a business sets prices below its own costs for reasons other than having a specific strategy to eliminate competitors.

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作者:老牛爺 留言時間:2019-05-23 14:29:35

這個指責也太沒道理了,華為惡性競爭是市場行為,只要它能成功,能占領市場,能賺錢,那就是好樣的。

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