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外Hui交易的狼-真Lai了 2016-02-09 17:26:04

Ju说,国内外14亿(中国大陆人口: 1,407,136,259)5,000

Wan华人世世代代与生俱来两大嗜好。一好吃,民以食为天

嘛。怎厶个好吃法?实在不必多费一词。不论你走到家里家

外,海内海外,满目皆是。九十年代初期,几次赴澳洲悉尼

公干,居住在那里的华人说,对比华人族群的悠悠Wan事、

唯吃为大的核心特征,如果也用一个词组概括澳大利亚以盎

格鲁-萨克逊种族为主体的白人族群的特性,则是公认的民以

玩儿为天。每年的1月26日是澳大利亚放假天的国庆日。

时为了Cou成长周末,连国庆日都可以提或滞後地变一变。


二好赌、好炒。这一好,似乎与这里一小撮上心观博码博

的文艺年Wu关,Que与亿Wan普罗大众息息相关。从炒股、

炒汇、炒楼,到如今的炒金、炒玉、炒古玩、炒字画、炒红

木、炒普洱茶、炒钻石、炒翡翠 ...... 泛亚有色金属庞氏

骗局涉及430多亿人民币,全国范围财务上遇难者22Wan多;

 

e租Bao 总裁张敏   一枚1200Wan的粉钻戒指、一块5000Wan的绿色翡翠、

5.5亿现金┅┅这些腹成丁宁(钰诚系实际控制人)送给张敏(e租Bao 总裁)

的Li物清单。但是,这些花销并非来自丁宁的合法收入,而是来源于e租Bao  

投资款。

china-p2p1.jpg

 中国“e租Bao ”投资人维权升级  7省34市上Wan人示威

e租Bao一年半内非法吸收资金725亿元,受害投资人遍布全国

31个省市区,项目95%造假,为了毁灭证Ju将1200余册材料埋

到地下6米 ······

京、宁波数百e租  投资人集会被镇压多人被殴打抓捕

京、宁波数百e租  投资人集会被镇压多人被殴打抓捕

京、宁波数百e租  投资人集会被镇压多人被殴打抓捕

e租Bao平台事件涉及725亿,财务遇难者90多Wan;另有报

道称,多达近500Wan。


好赌好炒,归纳起来,似是一种投机倒把(废弃多年的老旧

词汇)的心理和心态,找点儿来钱短平快的营生,“闲Zhe

也是闲Zhe,哪怕挣点儿菜钱呢,也好。”杨澜不是对外宣

称过,她早年混迹美国卖保险、九十年代末炒作网络股票暴

敛第一桶金的老公吴征同志,从事过“资本运营”工作。


之前的文章说过,人工智能不仅仅是智能机器人,它存在于

众多的领域。这不, 全世界金融产品交易规模最庞大——

日交易金额高达骇人听闻的5.3Wan亿美元的


  外汇交易的狼 —— 真来了


高频交易,一种新兴的交易方式,让美国一家电子

交易公司,在2009到2013年的1238个交易日里,

只有一天亏损。但与此同时,高频交易也曾让纽约

道琼斯工业指数,在短短5分钟狂跌600点。有人

说它是交易方式的革命,也有人说它是散户头上的

“吸血鬼”,究竟谁是谁非。


个体投资者和金融市场日益自动化,电脑正在取代人力。数学

家和程序员这些曾经仅局限于科学和信息技术领域的角色,如

今则成为金融领域的主导力量。高频交易 (High Frequency 

Trading, HFT) 在金融市场中  处不在。任何近期做过交易的

人,  论是证券、外汇、大宗商品或者利率,都可能曾与机器

人完成过交易,而且规模越来越大。有人说高频交易的增长带

来更多的市场参与和价格发现,以及更低的交易成本,所以很

受一些金融市场的欢迎。


然而这种观点并不盛行。对于很多传统投资者来说,高频交易

是一个祸害。就像1984年的经典电影《终结者》,那些机器正

在系统地消灭金融市场,制造更低的市场流动性,增加资产之

间的关联度,并由此产生更大的市场波动。反对高频交易的主

要的声音之一是有关市场“幌骗” (Spoofing) 策略,意思是

交易员用快速连续的伪造指令,毫不公平地根  自身所需改变

上市资产的价格。很多传统投资者把这种幌骗行为看作是不公

平的,认为这只是市场操纵的另一种形式。高频交易运营者轻

而易举地用指令将市场淹没,以图移动市场价格。


外汇交易员一天的工作是怎Yang

  

    

   的?

会被计算机替代吗?



A widening probe of the foreign-exchange market is roiling an industry already under pressure to reduce costs as computer platforms displace human traders.

目前在国内一家外汇券商做交易员。所以只能说说国内的一天是怎厶过的。早上到公司打开cnn,cnbc,彭博社,newworld这几个电视频道,对都是直播的纯英文,当然信息来源不可能是等电视直播出来,那  黄花菜都  了,看电视是防止突发事件(一些消息是通常渠道获得不了的,比如瑞央11年宣布维持1.2时候电视报道比网站出消息快了十分钟)。

然後看看盘面(基本上路上家里也一直在看就是一种习惯)看看当日数  有没有变化。然後按系统做交易,大部分公司是要求日内的。哦还有公司的红茶很好喝,咖啡,泡芙,小蛋糕都是免费的,我和同事看老板不在时候会在办公室喝红酒吃鸡翅,诸如此类。有波动时候就是各自做单。互相参考是没有的都是成熟交易员,各有各的东西。交易做到一定层次就会知道,只有一个人沉静下来才能做好!如果市场波动不大,也会晚上k歌什厶的,总之不是想象中那厶呆板。应要求发张照片吧,其实其他回答中已经发过的。




本来想发喝酒时候照片  奈找不到了这张  合看吧,有个直观了解就行。

另外对于程序化替代人工 这点是不用  心的,我们是传统交易,你可以选择开发程序也可以坚持手动这点没有压力,看个人及公司想法。我是支持开发程序化的,我的ea持续开发中,想程序化不是很简单的事,个人系统首先要转化为清晰的逻辑不然it很难实现这是一大难点。然後即使实现後,後期的维护监管升级更加需要你的参与,因为别人很难比你更了解。所以完全不用  心程序化取代人的问题。当然高频量化交易就另说了。

我觉得有点难,机器再鬼也鬼

不过人类,而且Ju说现在有专门

针对给自动交易挖坑的自动交易

系统。

发布于 2015-06-19 

很多量化对  基金已经不用人手下单了,早在2006年,整个外汇市场的交易量中有四分之一是有电脑完成的。

引用
Algorithmic trading also have active algorithmic trading (about 25% of orders in 2006).

八年过去了,不管是软件还是硬件都有质的飞跃,这个比例肯定比25%高。若找到最新的数  我会立马补上。

不止是外汇,其他asset class市场的交易都在逐渐被电脑取代。如2009的美国股市,60%-73%交易量来自电脑。

至于FX trader的daily work是怎  的,还是留给FX trader回答吧。我就不胡言乱语了 ;)

发布于 2014-03-01 

作为一个主观日内交易员,除了每天提前了解当天要发生的重大事件的具体时间之外,剩下的就要盯紧自己的风控管理系统,在自己的交易框架下控制好每一张单。。。。。。。

发布于 2014-04-16 

发布于 2014-02-20 

发布于 2014-02-2

真正外汇交易员一般很难碰到。必须是一个国际化的人和一个隐士。那些炒外汇和交易商里的都不能叫交易员,照一定的策略去执行某一段的任务,唔...,也不能叫交易员。Trader有不同层次,最高层次应该是全盘负责,有某种思想哲学,设计指挥策略,让不同model去布仓执行,然後找了好多人从不同侧面去研究市场反应,最终达到基金成长目的的人。还有一种,也是自己对负责,一个人做很多事情,能自由运作资金,使自己的想法能实践的人。
外汇市场维度高,机械式的自动系统  法代替人。

编辑于 2016-02-07 


雪原,外汇

我是用自己设计的EA自动交易,但是稳定性不好。
取代不大可能,个人意见。


"People In The Market For Many, Many 

Years Have Been Replaced By An 

Algorithm"


 Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02 / 08 / 2016  21:52 -0500


Two years ago, just before Michael Lewis released Flash Boys starting a sharp if brief revulsion against parasitic, predatory High Frequency Trading frontrunners, which delayed Virtu's IPO by one year, we broke down Virtu's 2013 net trading income by product line. We were not surprised to find that of the $45 million in total growth, the largest income category, US stocks growth was a tiny 5% of all, rising by $2.3 million in 2013. In fact, between EMEA, APAC and US Equities, there was very limited growth in 2013, while commodities posted an outright trading income decline. It appeared to be the case that growth in conventional products has indeed plateaued, as more and more HFT competitors rush in. And yet, one product stood out. It is highlighted on the chart below: FX ( foreign exchanges ).

This is how we summarized this observations almost exactly two years ago:

With increasingly more homo sapiens-type banker FX traders being laid off left and right for pervasive and ubiquitous manipulation of currencies (who can forget the infamous "Cartel" chat room, JPM's head of spot trading presiding), what this means is that more and more algos will rush into this product to fill the voids left by carbon-based traders.

Two years later, Bloomberg caught up to the fate of what it calls Wall Street's "dying breed", the once proud FX traders who over the past two years have become an endangered species between losing their jobs to Virtu's algos, and to countless FX rigging scandals which revealed that the world's biggest market was nothing but one grand conspiracy in which a handful of banks schemed illegally in so-called chat rooms.

First the numbers: there were 2,300 people working in currency-market front-office jobs at the world’s biggest banks in 2014, a 23 percent drop from four years earlier, according to Coalition Development Ltd., an analytics firm.

Bloomberg also discovers Virtu: "Humans are up against formidable

opponents across the industry. Take Virtu Financial Inc. Deploying

sophisticated technology in the business, the company’s computers can

trade more than 11,000 securities and other products on more than 225

trading platforms in 35 countries. Because automation is so deeply

ingrained in its business, it had only about 150 employees last year --

generating more than $5 million per worker."

And here are some of the people behind the numbers:

Charlie Stenger, a currency-broker-turned-recruiter, has seen it all. One fired trader wept in his office. Another admitted he hadn’t told his wife he was unemployed, and left the house every day in a suit to sneak off to a coffee shop. Then there are the delusional guys, who carefully explain how they’re not interested in jobs that don’t pay as well as those they just lost.

Stenger, who was laid off from ICAP Plc in 2013 and now works for Sheffield Haworth Ltd., tells the men and women he counsels: Take the pay cut. Oh, and don’t wait for the phone to ring.

“This is crunch time -- it’s not looking good,” Stenger said. “This is a shrinking pond.”

It is, and not just for the people: the size of the overall FX market itself is collapsing.

 

The death of the FX market has not been greatly exaggerated: the layoffs have continued and are unlikely to stop in the $5.3 trillion-a-day market. Revenue from from foreign-exchange divisions hasn’t bounced back after falling to $6.5 billion in 2014, down almost 45 percent from 2009, Coalition data show. Currency trading in the U.K. and North America shrank by more than 20 percent in October from a year earlier, according to central banks in those regions. London is the biggest center for foreign-exchange trading.

For some being replaced by an algo was not how they had envisioned the conclusion to their Wall Street careers:

“The business has to be downsized,” said Keith Underwood, a foreign-exchange consultant who ended a 25-year trading career, including at Lloyds Banking Group Plc, in 2014. But it’s not easy “for people who have been in a market for many, many years to see that they’ve been replaced by an algorithm.”

Others who have not been fired yet, and are just counting the days to that closed doors conference room meeting:

Some ex-traders have moved to smaller houses or pulled kids out of private school. Those waiting for the ax to fall hoard paychecks. Stenger was out of regular work for a year after he lost his job; he was told about the lay-off four days after he learned his wife was pregnant with their first child. “There were periods where I wouldn’t make money for 90 days at a time,” he said, “and the insurance bill was still due every month, and the rent and the car payments.”

For many, however, the feeling of escaping Wall Street's clutches is an unexpected one: liberation.

Underwood, the consultant, said he left the market because regulators were cracking down on his niche by implementing stricter derivatives rules after the financial crisis. “My style of trading went out of vogue,” he said. So the former head of foreign exchange trading for the Americas at Lloyds, who also led teams at Credit Agricole SA and Lehman Brothers in London and New York, reinvented himself.

 

“I couldn’t be more happy,” said Underwood, who described the hourly rates he charges as comparable to those of a senior lawyer. “There is more empowerment, with control of my future.”

 

Many traders have discovered they have transferable skills. Some have landed work as salespeople or executives at financial technology companies, payment providers or trading platforms and exchanges. Others are using their knowledge to bolster banks’ risk-management operations. Franz Gutwenger, a recruiter in New York, said one of his financial-institution clients has expanded its regulatory-compliance staffing by a factor of five. 

 

“I don’t think there’s a whole lot from my generation that are still in the industry,” said Guy Piserchia, who during a three-decade career led North-American foreign-exchange trading at Bank of America Corp. and Paribas, a precursor to BNP Paribas SA, in Asia. He left Wall Street in 2012 to become mayor of the 8,700-person township of Long Hill, New Jersey. Now he’s deputy mayor, but said he wants to get back into the business in a role that combines his financial and government experience.

What happens next:

“With automation and electronic dealing, I think there are going to be fewer people” on foreign-exchange desks, Piserchia said. “The ones that have evolved and survived may be some of the better ones -- or, as in life, may be some of the lucky ones.”

As the realization that there is a life away from finance, more will leave the confines of Wall Street for ever. Who will remain: just the central bankers who pretend the market is the economy, and pretend there is such as thing as a "market" in the first place, and the algos which however without humans to frontrun, will soon be extinct soon as well.

Mon, 02/08/2016 - 22:31 | 7159404Stainless Steel Rat

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It is hard for a person trying to invest $200 million to make 5% a year, but it is cake for someone investing $100,000 to make 5% a week thanks to these robots.

Mon, 02/08/2016 - 23:29 | 7159561carneades_jazz_hands

Exactly!  Though, I think the sweet spot is still a bit higher than $100,000.  The point remains, trading still works. 

I started out a couple decades ago doing FX & FX Options Arb for one of the named banks we've all read about.  That was seriously big & easy money for those firms.  In fact, I've been surprised by how easily they have all let this go, unless.... it's because they're the "investors" behind these "legalized" front running parasites.

What these guys are taking is just a piece, and as the article mentions, it's becoming the most fought over slice.  It's probably 15% of the toal pie these days.  Dealers, (the good ones), never just took out the bid-offer.  They also took out the day's volatility, we "position traded", and we "portfolio invested".

Whatever....Risk hasn't gone anywhere, it's only grown....and the rewards remain wonderful...for the traders.  PM me if you're young and need some assistance.     

Traders gotta trade.

...just remember.... Don't Drink and Trade  ;)  :)

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 01:19 | 7159799Stainless Steel Rat

A human can look at a signal pattern in the market and easily determine: "this is a negative feedback signal based upon a commonly agreed upon stable point", or "this is a positive feedback loop based on two competing views (agendas?) of the value of the item."  A human can surmise: "why is this the stable value?" or "what are the two competing agendas?".  What I see now in the market is: "The oil producing countries now realize that war is the only option they have to reassert the value of their product."  A computer could have a thousand Nvidia Titan Zs and not see this.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 06:17 | 7160038OldPhart

2010 I tried anything to get my 401-k money OUT of the fucking system.  It turns out to be virtually impossible,  So I rolled it into the money market, guaranteed rate.  I have lost my ass on interest earnings, but I've still got my principal and interest compounded,  I'm not guru, my 401-k only has $54k in it (stopped ALL contributions in 2008), but it continues to earn and, according to the plan document, I am "not at risk of loss"

Here's what gets me.  Way back in the 70's I was a debit Insurance Salesman...weekly premium, door to door..our disability product paid $40 a week for fucking forever.  Just pay your dime every week.

Life Insurance had residual value based on a guaranteed minimum 4%, imagine trying to sell that kind of nonsense in the early 80's with 21% inflation.  I used to look at these old policies, sold in the 20's and 30's, as ridiculous.  'Bad Lily' Austin, would collect her nieghbors premiums from out in the Florida woods and laugh at me (I'm 22/23 she's late 80's) about what goes around comes around.  ('Bad Lily" was a sweet old black lady, both of her parents were slaves.  I spent many lunches in her kitchen listening to her and her husband talk about thier lives.  [I'm a California desert kid dumped in the woods of North Florida. To them I was exotic and weird, to me they were fascinating.]  In a living tribute to Bad Lily I had a sign made for her as an Independent Life (Independent Life Insurance Company, apparenty defunct these days) collection point for her house.  She was thrilled.

I don't know how to tell you how harsh things were.  Lily lived in a shotgun house.  That's a long narrow house where the walls are made of plank boards, the rooms are divided by a central wall, with doors in the middle...and you could literally shoot a shotgun down the center of the house without any damage.  (In another shotgun house I witnessed an old man die of cancer while collecting his premium from his wife, he was lying on the bed, moaning, then sat straight up and said "Yes, Lord, I'm ready."  Then died.  Four miles later, a face full of puddles and I reported it to the county sheriff [one of the reason's I became one of the county's all volunteer EMT's on the ambulance, we didn't have paid pro's at the time. And I wound up doing some really shitty stuff that haunts me still.)  In Lily's case, she'd lived there so long that the grass and other Florida shit grew into all the omniprescient cracks and crevasses that her house actually stayed warm.  Her Franklin stove was on all the time and when I usually arrived, about 1 PM, she'd have cooked a mess of black eyed peas, collard greens, hog jowls and hushpuppies.  As a white kid from California, one time tasting that shit made me an addict (as long as it wasn't boiled okra, holy shit!!).

Back in those woods I met one of the founders of the NAACP who sat me down and told me the first hand story of Rosewood in her mobile home's parlor (plastic lined).  Vera Bostick!!  God damn, I remember her name!!  I'm a young, dumb, fucking white guy, but Vera treats me like I'm a nephew or cousin.  I'm a member of her family.  Her husband, don't remember his first name, other than he was this fire and damnation preacher...who suddenly opened up his own bar.  Which promptly burned down after I sold him fire insurance.

All that said, I think, this time, we're going to be sadly lacking in people of character like Bad Lily Austin or Vera Bostick.  These were older women with personal authority.  If shit was going down they could walk out on the street and EVERYTHING would become "Yes, Ma'am?"

We need a lot more of these types of ladies, black, white, asian, mexican...we need a LOT more of these women.



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