大概自60年代起西方传统专制势力抬头，一个形式是新马克思主义和变相社会主义理念横行，精英们通过福利引诱惰者的选票，然后用高税收加强国家对大众的权力。他们已经没有民有、民治、民享这个概念了。所以，大众的不满自然就被视为坏东西了。

可笑的是黄左夹杂其中，被人当猪卖了还自以为高明。

这个所谓的“求真知”按照孔子的说法就是伪而辩。其基本手法就是找你不关主题的一些毛病下蛆，转移问题的重点。

我与牧人兄同感。

如果非要拔犟眼子，我也可以说：“不管怎么说，希特勒是民众选出来的”。

牧人觉得，很多人因为川普而失去了常识。

你看老钱兄用“常识”对你进行反驳，可是既无逻辑又欠常识。

呵呵

谢谢老钱兄回复。

我的常识就是立论要严谨，引证要可靠。

不管怎么说，Trump总统上美国民众选出来的。

民主党的支持者，除去非法移民和支持非法移民的人，支持滥发福利的人，就只剩下了极少数了。

一个国家能够依靠那些想拆台的人吗？

连常识都没有。

“修身、齐家、治天下”，忘了“治国", 然后“平天下”。

然而，即便是“修身”，已是极不易的一生之求。

这是Time: Rust Belt Stereotypes Are Misleading and Dangerous的另一段摘文：

To sum up such a diverse region with a few adjectives, or a rags-to-riches story of exceptionalism with a message of individualism at its core, is both misleading and dangerous.

We’ve come to recognize the major trends, popular as topics in opinion pages and stump speeches, that have come to shape the narrative of the region: racial discrimination, poverty, job loss, climate change, neglect, depopulation. But in doing so, we have created a narrative inequality in this nation: some stories are told over and over while others are passed over, muted. What about the happy childhoods or the successful community ventures or the sheer beauty of the landscapes in some of these cities? It’s time to open up and allow those who call these cities home to feel empowered to speak in the same way a pundit in New York City does. It’s time we create a much-needed space for the deep, various, complex, sad, wonderful, and pressing stories of the Rust Belt, which perhaps has the potential to heal a country overrun by division.

我不知道有谁有资格把一部分美国人划出来定义为“他们才是美国的主体，他们才是美国的国本。”。

下面是wiki的统计数字表明所谓“铁锈区”20002016不断急剧减少，变化的人口：

（大概超过限制，贴不上20002016 population change in Rust Belt cities的表格，有兴趣的朋友可以自己查看：

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt）

对本文第一条，也就是所谓“生锈区”的理解，下面是Time一文中的摘录,明显不同意本文的观点：

http://time.com/5225497/rust-belt-history/

That more people have become curious about the Rust Belt since the 2016 presidential election is a welcome development. But it has become increasingly tempting and increasingly dangerous to reduce the Rust Belt to clichés. At a time when it is more important than ever to understand the nuances of this complex region, what is published instead are often articles on the “typical” Rust Belt resident more often than not a white male Trump supporter. Generalizations about the region’s population are now as popular as simply ignoring the Rust Belt was just a few years ago. Most are wrong.

Some important facts: Many Rust Belt cities have minority populations that statistically outpace those in other parts of the country. The largest per capita Muslim population in the United States is here, in Dearborn, Michigan. With so much emphasis placed on the manufacturing sector, many overlook the largest employers in the region: hospitals, retailers, and institutions of higher education. Of the handful of cities in the United States that support an Orthodox Jewish population, many are in the Rust Belt. A century ago, the region’s cities were often populated primarily by non-native English speakers. For example, in 1900, over 75 percent of the residents of Cleveland, Ohio, were foreign-born or first-generation immigrants.

这里是Snopes详尽地对您这里引用的第七点的驳斥否定：

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/illegal-immigrants-2008-election/

如果一定要把‘民粹’加上一些负面色彩，应该是指违反法制的所谓‘民主’。譬如全民投票充公马云的财产，一定可以通过。这样的民主可以称为民粹。而今天的美国，上街打砸烧，以政治正确扼杀保守派言论，侮辱川普政府人格，正是那些满口‘When they go low, we go high' 的圣母婊。

极左自由派，和所谓进步主义者要当道德裁判官，符合他们心意的是‘民主’，不合他们心意的是‘民粹’。

阿特兰大那个吃官司的搬家公司的老板现在是否有希望翻案？那个诬告女孩的家长后来拿到多少钱？他们一家子还继续在阿特兰大混？