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I agree with PH. What Mr. ÁõÒÔ¶° listed is the same arguments given by the optimists who think the RE market in China will rise forever. One thing Mr. ÁõÒÔ¶° missed is, one of the biggest factor behind the high prices is the government's monopoly on the land sale/auction. Many condos in Beijing and Shanghai cost more than 30000RMB/SQM because the land costs more than 20000RMB/SQM(land divided by the total units allowed on it). So 2/3 of the prices are a direct result of the government's play.

Whenever there's a bubble, there are always many many arguments on why the bubble can exist. Just like the commodity bubble of 2008. However, in long term, only the real value counts. How much real value is there in a 70 year usage right condo in Beijing? I doubt it'll worth 1/3 of the current price.

Unless there's a hyper inflation(inflation rate of >20% a year) to justify the RE prices, I think the bubble will burst very soon. If you invest in the stock market, you will know once some stock go into parabolic up curve, it will crash really really soon and really really hard. Right now, the RE market of China is in the parabolic phase.
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Agree. It would be a disaster if the bubble bursts. But it is inevitable. The early it bursts, the less impact it will have upon China and the rest of the world.

Remember, in early 90s, the total value of the Japanese real estate market was 4 times of the of the US real estate market. Most Japanese knew it was a bubble. However, they tried not to make it burst. Instead, they used extraordinary fiscal and monetary policies to delay the process. The result was of course a disaster. Around 2000, the real estate in some area, such as Tokyo, lost 3/4 of the value. It has not recovered until today. If you paid 1 million dollar for a property in Tokyo in early 90s, today the same property is not even worth half of the NOMINAL value.

Japan is not alone. The same thing happened in US, other eastern countries as well.

I can give you another example. Rememeber how oil price reaches $147 in 2008? During that time, people blamed increase demand for the price hike. Now we know that the price was manipulated by commondity traders. The same can be applied to Chinese real state market. Yes, there is need for more houses. However, the price is still way too high from any measure.

It is not a question if there is a bubble in China's real estate market. The question is how big the bubble is. Again, the impact is smaller if it bursts earlier. It is going to be bad. But if we do not let it burst, it will be worse.
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Chinese housing market bubble will definitely burst in 3 years! Sorry for the typo in my previous comment.
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Chinese housing market bubble will definitely crash in 3 years!

The same story has happened in Japan, Hong Kong, USA. It will happen in China.
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