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細分之爭源頭詳情/亞裔教職人員公開信 2017-08-11 07:58:47

逸草:對亞裔細分無論是反對、支持,還是不置可否,弄明白源頭詳情,總多少有助於思考。


亞裔細分是對華人的迫害嗎?

原創 2017-08-10 守護蓋婭 

轉自“反謠言中心”


近期,某關注度頗高的北美華人公眾號發貼號召在美華人讀者積極抵制奧巴馬的第13515號總統令(EO 13515)。行政令和法案不太一樣,涉及美國政治運行的一些基本知識,略有複雜。這個行政令是奧巴馬2009年頒布的,涉及到了目前熱門且敏感的“亞裔細分”。命令的名稱是“Increasing Participation of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in Federal Programs”[1],官方的說法是旨在“恢復白宮亞裔和美屬太平洋島嶼居民事務機構,以改善這些少數族裔的健康、教育和經濟處境。”[2]


不過這個法案明確使用了“disaggregate data”(數據細分)這個表達方式,被認為是鼓勵各地進行亞裔細分,以至於後續美國部分州通過了亞裔細分法案。部分人士將奧巴馬8年前的這個行政令視為種族主義歧視華人,並且和1882年的排華法案相提並論。


本文開篇提及的公眾號特意提供了“請願”式的模板,希望美國現任總統川普能夠重視AA議題,並通過取消13515號行政命令來撼動對華裔的歧視[3]。


不出所料,絕大多數人沒有閱讀這個行政令的全文,這個行政命令到底說了什麼呢?



摘要:

1. 奧巴馬2009年的13515號行政命令並非“排華法案”


2. 號召川普廢除13515號行政命令也並非華裔爭取教育平權的最佳途徑


一、奧巴馬的13515號行政命令究竟是不是“排華法案”?


由於諸多人在討論13515號行政命令時往往只局限於“種族細分”,特別是教育細分這一議題,而忽略了原總統令中“提升亞裔和美屬太平洋島嶼居民(AAPI)群體利益”這一部分。此處應該先看一下行政令原文的內容:


EO 13515 - Increasing Participation of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in Federal Programs

“... Of the more than a million AAPI-owned businesses, ... many firms are small sole-proprietorships that continue to need assistance to access available resources such as business development counseling and small business loans. .... Specific challenges experienced by AAPI subgroups include lower college-enrollment rates by Pacific Islanders than other ethnic groups and high poverty rates among Hmong Americans, Cambodian Americans, Malaysian Americans, and other individual AAPI communities. Additionally, one in five non-elderly AAPIs lacks health insurance. ”[4]


行政命令原文舉例提到了AAPI群體面臨的幾個實際的問題:

商業發展諮詢

小商業貸款

太平洋島嶼國家的高等教育低錄取率

苗裔(Hmong)、柬埔寨裔、馬來裔等群體的高貧困率


可以看出,原文中出發點在於協助亞裔和美屬太平洋島嶼居民群體(AAPI)解決聯邦項目的實際援助效應。無論華裔是否被細分,華裔仍將歸屬於AAPI群體。在此處急於從源頭上切斷一個針對AAPI群體的總統令,如何在損害AAPI整體權益的前提下單獨提升華裔群體福祉,反對者還沒有提供很好的解釋。


另外一方面,華裔關注法案延續或廢除的焦點,主要源於在高校錄取中種族配額制以及相應的亞裔細分法案的爭論。此處暫時拋開是否應當支持或反對平權法案(Affirmative Action)不談,13515號行政命令本身並非是一個專門針對華裔的總統令,涉及國家範圍遠超中國,涉及聯邦援助的領域也並非教育一家


單從性價比的角度看,僅僅是為了保證華裔在教育機構上的錄取率而寄託於川普斬斷一個涉及到諸多東亞、東南亞和南亞國家族裔的福利法案,若不是“自私”的話,是否可以說是得不償失呢?


另一方面來講,華裔在美國的政治參與度,和拉丁裔及非裔相比本身就已經略低。此時若是為了華裔的利益而打翻了整個亞裔的蛋糕,未來又如何期望其他族裔在類似議題上共同發聲?


二、號召特朗普廢除13515號行政命令是不是華裔爭取教育平權的最佳途徑?


1. 民主黨確實支持平權法案,但共和黨反對平權法案嗎?


這個問題不言自明。首先,川普在上台後展現出強烈的種族主義傾向,對穆斯林六國開出禁令,面對南方鄰居墨西哥繼續大喊“修牆”。


華裔在此時希望川普突然變臉,對華裔笑臉相迎,本身就是一種強烈的瑪麗蘇情結——希望自己喜歡的人“對所有其他人都是混球,但對自己像蜂蜜一樣甜”。在InsideGov整理的總統候選人立場中,川普對於平權法案的態度時而支持,時而反對[5]。


如果真像一些人所說的,”奧巴馬和民主黨是一群種族主義者,而川普和共和黨是反平權法案的大救星”,那麼他們如何解釋在共和黨的調查中,隻字未提平權法案呢?[6]


2. 廢除13515號行政命令,用經濟地位決定聯邦援助方向,真的對美國華人有利嗎?


本文開頭提及的北美某華人公眾號請願文中,特意提到了希望川普能夠用經濟地位代替種族決定公眾援助的發放。此處也暫不糾結奧巴馬政府本身就已經有按照經濟地位申請聯邦援助的項目(Afordable Care Act),單就這個政策方向來看,目前華裔在美國的經濟地位不說頂尖,平行和其他小族裔來比肯定是更好的。倘若真的實行了,仍然會是以優先保證太平洋島民和東南亞等相對貧困族裔福祉的聯邦援助項目。那時華人若想上常春藤名校,可能先要看一下自己夠不夠窮吧?


3, 為什麼有華人支持亞裔細分和種族配額制?


平權法案本身只是決定了在面對教育資源不平衡的情況下,我們應當更多傾向於公平(標準化考試,按照學生能力錄取)還是更多傾向於平等(給予資源匱乏的少數族裔更多優先錄取的機會)。在這個基礎價值上,也就不難理解為何有些華人和亞裔會支持法案。很多人將自己認同為“美國人”,那麼種族配額制在原則上傾斜於經濟地位劣勢的族裔,為何還要遭到反對?


4. 假設平權法案從明天徹底消失,華人就能擺脫歧視了嗎?

在凱瑟琳·米爾科曼(Kathirine Milkman)等人的調查中,6500名教授整體偏向於給白色人種回應[7]。這其中的偏見不言自明。可以看出,平權法案並不是亞裔學生錄取受阻的關鍵因素。


有部分人士認為,數據收集即是種族清洗的前兆。但即使平權法案消失,那些在決定錄取時懷有偏見的人,還是可以從學生的姓名、居住地、實習和工作經歷中嗅出蛛絲馬跡。不要說是大學招生官,很多華裔在找租房室友時都會對申請者的名字多看兩眼。企圖在申請過程中免去自報家門的手續,無異於掩耳盜鈴。


反對歧視,就要真正對抗歧視本身,寄希望於在歧視的體制內靠躲過有色眼鏡的篩選,無非是消極抵抗的鴕鳥政策罷了。


參考鏈接

[1] https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html#13515

[2] http://news.china.com/zh_cn/international/1000/20091015/15667614.html

[3] https://gop.com/listening-to-america-surveys/?pgtype=nohead&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ET_16&utm_campaign=20170711_1074_Listening-To-America_DonaldJTrump_RNC&utm_content=GOP_surveys_Button-Bottom-Take

[4] https://sites.ed.gov/aapi/aapi-data-disaggregation/

[5] http://presidential-election-issues.insidegov.com/l/2/Affirmative-Action

[6] https://gop.com/listening-to-america-surveys/?pgtype=nohead&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ET_16&utm_campaign=20170711_1074_Listening-To-America_DonaldJTrump_RNC&utm_content=GOP_surveys_Button-Bottom-Take

[7] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2063742a




一封來自亞裔、太平洋裔教職人員的關於族裔數據的公開信 – 2017年8月

鏈接:

http://aapidata.com/blog/educators-letter-translated-aug-2017/?from=timeline


478位教職人員簽署了以下的公開信,支持亞裔及太平洋裔細分數據的搜集並澄清這一舉措的目的和意義。


一封來自亞裔、太平洋裔教職人員的關於族裔數據的公開信 – 2017年8

我們是k-12學校和大學的亞裔老師和教授,我們對日漸壯大的針對數據細分的反對之聲擔憂不已。

這些反對的聲音是從我們群體的內部發出的。近日,有近50位華裔美國人(包括兒童)聚集在羅德島反對一項數據搜集新政。這一新政策得到了許多亞裔教育組織的支持,如Alliance of Rhode Island Southeast Asians for Education (ARISE)和亞裔青年組PrYSM等。這一新政規定小學和中學在搜集亞裔數據時要給出具體的細分選項。

細分數據會被合理使用,從而更好的了解每個社區中亞裔學生群體的不同。羅德島的抗議和加州的抗議是一致的。這其中都包含了很多具有煽動性和極具誤導性的語言,甚至將此政策與德國的紐倫堡法案相比。

這種對比真的是駭人聽聞!亞裔社區搜集族裔數據已經有很長的歷史了,一直以來這一舉措都為更好的服務亞裔族群做出了貢獻。

搜集亞裔數據數據意味着亞裔數據的選項將被細分至具體的族群。亞裔填寫族裔一欄時,可以只填亞裔,也可以自發性的選擇填寫具體的族群,比如“韓國人”、“中國人”或“越南人”。他們也可以選擇不止一個細分族群來更好的反映他們自己的族裔背景。細分數據是美國統計局搜集數據的主要指導思想。這一舉措將實打實的為亞裔社區帶來許多福利。比如加強選舉系統的語言協助,雙語教育,學生心理健康服務,並能更好地提供滿足各個族群文化和傳統需求的縣醫院醫療服務。

在過去的三十年裡面,亞裔和太平洋裔的社區領導人,民選官員,學者,老師,教授和學生都在積極地呼籲搜集細分數據。這種呼聲在1965年達到了高潮,因為那一年美國第一次廢除了移民國籍配額制。當亞裔群體日漸壯大後,很多學校和政府機構都不能有效地區分不同亞裔的歷史,經歷和社會需求,因為亞裔總是被歸類成一大族群。這一同質化的做法使得了解和服務不同亞裔社區的需求變成了一項巨大的挑戰。這種現象更造成了教育機構,醫療機構和社會服務機構誤解和忽略亞裔中不同族群的需求。

作為教育者,老師,和大學的教職人員,我們在盡最大的努力去了解我們學生群體所面對的挑戰,更好地服務和支持他們在教育方面的多樣需求。但是,沒有高質量的數據,我們無法做到這一點!比如說,柬埔寨,老撾,夏威夷島民和薩摩亞人在社區大學的畢業率遠小於其他族群。心理健康問題在不同的亞裔群體之間也有着巨大的差別。比如華裔女性比起其他族群有更高的自殺率。高質量的細分數據是了解各個群體中學生所面臨的挑戰的關鍵。更為重要的是,這將為有需要的學生提供更多來自公共或私立系統的資源。

將搜集亞裔數據和納粹德國的紐倫堡法案做對比具有極大的誤導性,完全誤會了這一舉措的目標和意圖。很久以來,亞裔美國人包括華裔同胞一直走在呼籲具體數據搜集的第一線。我們想在公開信中再一次誠懇的向各位呼告,搜集細分數據的目的絕不是為了孤立任何一個群體來迫害或監視他們。相反的,搜集細分數據是為了更好的了解和支持我們群體中的各個族裔,來保證在教育問題上,我們對所有學生的幫扶做到一個不落。

作為教育者,我們堅定地相信大家有必要一如既往的支持搜集高質量的細分數據從而更好的服務亞裔學生的多樣需求。

以下是所有簽署這封公開信的教職人員 (我們記錄了附屬學校、機構的信息以保證簽名的真實性)

  1. Aaron Parayno, Assistant Director- Asian American Center at Northeastern University

  2. Abbie Bates, UCLA

  3. Abby Chien, Program Manager, University of Michigan

  4. Abhinav Mishra, Medical Student- Texas Tech Health Science Center Paul L. Foster School of Medicine.

  5. Aggie Noah, Assistant Professor; Arizona State University

  6. Ah Young Chi, School Counselor, Hong Kong International School

  7. Alethea Serna, Associate Professor, University of Hawaii at Manoa

  8. Alisa Carithers, Academic Advisor, Cal State L.A.

  9. Allan Colbern, Assistant Professor, Arizona State University

  10. Alyss Dixson, Lecturer, San Francisco State University

  11. Amanda Assalone, Postdoctoral Research & Policy Analyst, Southern Education Foundation

  12. Amanda Seaman, Professor, University of Massachusetts Amherst

  13. Ami Thakkar, Resident Director at Loyola University Chicago

  14. Amita Manghnani, Director of Public Programs, Asian/Pacific/American Institute at NYU

  15. Amy Bhatt, Associate Professor, University of Maryland, Baltimore County

  16. Ana Rossetti, Assistant Dean, Illinois Institute of Technology

  17. Andre Yang, Lecturer, California State University, Fresno

  18. Andrew Chin, Professor, University of North Carolina School of Law

  19. Andrew Leong, Assistant Professor, Northwestern University

  20. Andrew Yao, Teacher – Manor ISD

  21. Angela Arunarsirakul, Educator

  22. Angela Kong, Instructor and Program Coordinator, UCSD

  23. Angela Vo, Former Teacher

  24. Angela Wu, Assistant Director, Williams College

  25. Angie Chung, Associate Professor, University at Albany

  26. Angie Kim, Residence Hall Assistant Director, New York University

  27. Anjela Wong, teacher educator

  28. Ankita Rakhe, Assistant Dean/Associate Director, Stanford University

  29. Anna Gonzalez, organizer, association for asian american studies

  30. Anna Lau, Professor, UCLA

  31. Anna Takahashi, Director of College Counseling, Eastside College Preparatory School

  32. Annabelle Estera, Graduate Assistant, Michigan State University

  33. Anne Joh, Professor of Theology and Culture

  34. Anne Saw, Assistant Professor, DePaul University

  35. Anne Vo, Assistant Professor of Medical Education / USC

  36. Anthony Antonio, Assoc Professor of Education, Stanford University

  37. Anthony Kim, Program Coordinator, Colorado State University

  38. Antony Wong, Program Coordinator, AAARI-CUNY

  39. Anuradha Advani, Teacher, Simon Academics, Inc.

  40. Arshad Ali, Assistant Professor, George Washington University

  41. Arun Ponnusamy, Head Counselor & Vice President, Collegewise

  42. Bach Mai Dolly Nguyen, University of California, Los Angeles

  43. Baldeep Pabla, Lecturer, San Francisco State University

  44. Barbara Kim, Professor, Dept. of Asian and Asian American Studies, CSULB

  45. Barry Chaiveera, Assistant Director, UCLA

  46. Ben Medeiros, Housing & Residence Life Administrator within Student Affairs

  47. Benedicto Llave, Department Coordinator, Cesar Chavez Community Action Center, San Jose State University

  48. Benjamin Chang, The Hong Kong Institute of Education

  49. Bernard Liang, Director, Center for Student Involvement, Seattle University

  50. Betina Hsieh, Assistant Professor, California State University, Long Beach

  51. Bianca Louie, Instructor – City College of San Francisco

  52. Bianca Nepales, Director, TFA

  53. Bill Hing, University of San Francisco school of law

  54. Billy Hsu, University of Pennsylvania

  55. Brant Lee, Professor of Law, University of Akron School of Law”

  56. Brenda Dao, Program Manager and University of Washington, Bothell

  57. Brian Arao, College Administrative Officer, UC Santa Cruz

  58. Brittany Chen, Director, Health Resources in Action; Guest lecturer, Boston University

  59. Aujean Lee, PhD Candidate, UCLA

  60. Le, Director, Asian & Asian American Studies Certificate Program, UMass Amherst

  61. Cam Nguyen, University of California, Irvine

  62. Camille Pannu, Clinical Director, UC Davis School of Law

  63. Camillia Lui, Associate Scientist

  64. Candace Chow, Postdoc, University of Utah

  65. Caroline Hong, Assistant Professor, Queens College CUNY

  66. Charlene Martinez, Associate Director, Oregon State University

  67. Charles Andrean, Northwestern University, Assistant Director of Fraternity and Sorority Life

  68. Charles Lu, Executive Director – University of Texas at Austin

  69. Charles Sasaki, Dean of Academic Affairs

  70. Charmaine Banther, Chair, NEA Asian & Pacific Islander Caucus

  71. Charmaine Runes, Research Assistant, The Urban Institute

  72. chee ia yang, Program Manager, University of Michigan

  73. Chenda Duong, English Teacher at Lago Vista High School (Texas)

  74. Cherry Lim, Asian American Student Advancement Program Specialist, Middlesex Community College

  75. Chhoun Mey, Instructional Technology Curriculum Leader/Bellevue School District

  76. Chris Haynes, Assistant Professor, New Haven

  77. Chrissy Lau, Assistant Professor, Texas A&M University – Corpus Christi

  78. Christina Carpio, Assistant Director, Asian American Cultural Center, University of Illinois Urbana Champaign

  79. Christina Yao, Assistant Professor, University of Nebraska-Lincoln

  80. Chu Huang, Co-Chair of the Chinatown Resident Association (Boston, MA)

  81. Chu Ly, Boston University

  82. Claire Jean Kim, University of California, Irvine

  83. Cleda Wang, Assistant Director for Residence Life at University of Wisconsin -Madison

  84. Clement Lai, Associate Professor, California State University – Northridge

  85. Corey Gin, Director, California State University East Bay, Staff Co-Chair, Asian Pacific Islander Faculty and Staff Association

  86. Corinne Kodama, AANAPISI Research Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago

  87. Curtiss Rooks, Loyola Marymount University

  88. Cynya Michelle Ko, Independent

  89. Dan Ocampo, Director of Residential Life/Visiting Assistant Professor

  90. Danny Khuu, Associate, Solano County Library

  91. Daren Mooko, Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Whitman College

  92. David Kyuman Kim, Professor, Connecticut College

  93. David Pe, Associate Dean of Students / NYU Shanghai

  94. David Roh, Associate Professor, University of Utah

  95. David Song, Stanford University

  96. David Surratt, Associate Vice Chancellor – University of California, Berkeley

  97. Dawn Lee Tu, Interim Associate Dean of Students, UC Berkeley

  98. Dean Choi, Former Program Coordinator for Campus Life, Diverse Communities at Washington University in St. Louis

  99. Debra Arellano, Academic Support, Honolulu Community College

  100. Debra Pacio, Master’s of Arts in Education Student, Stanford University

  101. Delia Cheung Hom, Director, Asian American Center, Northeastern University

  102. Demeturie Gogue, First Generation Student Programs Coordinator; University of Redlands

  103. Denise Yee, Student Services Advisor, University of California Berkeley

  104. Der Vang, Iowa State University

  105. Derek Furukawa, Assistant Vice Provost, University of Nevada, Reno

  106. Desmond Leung, Adjunct Lecturer, Baruch College

  107. Devita Bishundat, Assistant Director, Center for Multicultural Equity & Access; Georgetown University

  108. Dian Squire, Iowa state university

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作者:一草 回復 西北角 留言時間:2017-08-17 17:02:01

謝謝你的支持和分享切身感受。

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作者:西北角 留言時間:2017-08-17 15:20:17

最早時,美國醫學院只接受白人(非拉丁裔,非猶太裔),,後來慢慢接受了猶太人,,再以後亞裔才慢慢多起來。。。現在亞裔在醫學院錄取的比例已經大大超過亞裔在美國人口中的比例,,這就是亞裔的好學生從平權法案得到的好處。。女兒這一代華裔都懂得這個道理。。。

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作者:西北角 留言時間:2017-08-17 15:08:37

支持作者觀點。。說到教育,,我家也是很重視教育,女兒是名校畢業上的醫學院,現在是醫生。。女兒的黑人同學,的確是在分數相同情況下,比亞裔更容易被醫學院錄取。。但是我和女兒都認為這是合理的。。。即使黑人學生進入醫學院時得到分數上的優待,現實生活中,黑人人口中的醫生比例大大的低於美國平均水平,更是大大低於亞裔。。在我看來,每個族裔都回比較喜歡找同一族裔的醫生看病,,我自己在找不到華裔醫生時,會優先考慮找韓裔日裔等等。。黑人也是一樣,所以培養出足夠多的黑人醫生對黑人群體有好處,對整個美國社會也有好處。。。

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作者:一草 回復 muzzy 留言時間:2017-08-16 05:32:38

這話若不是你嫉妒泛酸,就是你以小人之心度他人之腹了。

若真是在有“大學招生歧視亞裔的政策”下“自己的子女上了名校了”,那必是在育兒上有過人的智慧和心胸。有何可能會在與自家無利益衝突下,“希望別人的子女都上不了名校”呢?

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作者:wc73 留言時間:2017-08-15 13:39:56

某些人靠補習班讓孩子獲得個“好”成績,以為這就是一切。

這種思路已經讓中國的“名校”充滿了庸才,出了國的又想讓美國的名校也如此。

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-14 14:24:45

說說看,你那“公開、可衡量、可監督的錄取標準”有哪些實際可行的“計劃和步驟”?

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-13 18:19:54

你是否先搞清,所稀罕的名校中有幾所真受了平權政策所規所限?你所指的平權政策與名私校的多元多樣化錄取如何切割?再來聊你所謂的廢除平權政策是否靠譜?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-13 16:15:11

不是你說的“沒譜”,而是謀事要有計劃和步驟。

廢除平權政策不僅可能,而且已經有先例:加州已經行之有效多年了。而且,亞裔已經實實在在從中得到益處。

在全美最左傾的加州都已經做到,你為什麼還說是“行不通”?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-13 16:09:59

這位喜歡講髒話的大概是從中國翻牆出來的五毛,連什麼是平權政策都好像沒搞懂。不要跟他浪費時間。

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作者:一草 回復 sxymboy 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:34:49

有理好好說話,乏理濫罵自咒。

請“你這些迂腐的蠢貨們”,哪來“滾回”哪兒,“啃”你偏好的“剩骨頭去”。

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作者:一草 回復 sxymboy 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:25:10

你說的不正是重複那文中所敘述?

你是在用濫罵表明你理虧氣短?

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:24:28

呵呵,“別的慢慢來,首先要去掉平權政策”,您老這也要搞無替代廢除?到現在還不明白這類招數行不通?

你對你自個兒說的“公開、可衡量、可監督的錄取標準”,好像沒什麼譜啊?這大概就叫空頭話容易、來點實的難?

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作者:sxymboy 回復 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:23:48

一點也不是。白人被分五類,而亞裔卻被分了十幾類近二十類,這叫公平嗎?要分就分個徹底。歐洲四十幾個國家我都去過。至少白人該分四十幾類。我罵又怎麼啦?白人罵了幾百年了,非但沒見它們“理虧氣短”,反而得寸進尺。什麼東西,都是你這些迂腐的蠢貨們,陷入了白人們制定的“規則”,不能自拔。跟白人們一起滾回歐洲,啃它們的剩骨頭去。

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作者:sxymboy 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:11:18

不應去掉盤平權法案。應把亞裔加入平權法案。要細分,大家都細分。小小一個英國,踢足球世界盃時,它不就自願分為英格蘭,蘇格蘭,北愛爾蘭,威爾士四個隊?有好處時爭着搶着分,不然就把憋足了的壞水兒冒出來分別人?

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作者:sxymboy 回復 一草 留言時間:2017-08-13 00:03:34

第一張表里,白人只被分了五類,而最後一類還是另類。貌似只是用來歧視老毛子,二毛子等東歐朋友的。第二張表里,就漏了,白人壓根兒沒被分,只有一類,“白人”。憑什麼,白人有不被分割的特權?我去。。白豬仔,你們還想把非白人像過去幾百年當豬蒙,當狗使喚,當雞操?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 23:26:08

別的慢慢來,首先要去掉平權政策。

順着你的話來看:一部分華人可能確有過分重視應試的毛病。難道西裔和非裔就沒有毛病了嗎?他們的毛病可能更多、更大。

為什麼華人要因部分人有這樣的毛病,就被剝奪公平的機會;而西裔和非裔卻因為他們更多的毛病而占有別人的機會?

按照民主黨的平權政策,即使所有華裔都克服了自身的毛病,他們卻已經沒有公平的競爭機會了。反之,非裔和西裔無需克服他們自身的任何毛病,卻已經得到了原本不屬於自己的機會。這只會造成社會不公,並鼓勵後繼和骯髒的政治。

按照共和黨的公平競爭政策,華裔和西裔,以及非裔,大家都要克服自身的毛病。而且,不付出努力克服自己毛病的,不要想投機占便宜;克服了自己毛病的,會欣然擁有公平競爭的機會。這樣豈不是鼓勵整個社會積極向上、向善嗎?

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 22:38:29

要是名校真以應試成績和那不怎麼上得了台面的“捐錢買學位”,作為你所指的“公開、可衡量、可監督的錄取標準”,它們還會是如今真有較高質量的名校?還會是包括你孩子在內的不少華二代所嚮往的受教育之地嗎?

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 22:16:10

說說看,你所謂的“公開、可衡量、可監督的錄取標準”,除了應試教育那套,還有些什麼?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 22:12:05

去掉Legacy的關鍵在於:儘量減少主觀、不可衡量、不公平的指標。實行公開、可衡量、可監督的錄取標準。即便是捐錢買學位,把標準亮出來。

當然,平權政策首先要去掉。因膚色來決定一個孩子的教育機會,實在不公平!

加州去掉平權政策後(儘管不是完全去掉,實際操作是還有),亞裔明顯受益:UC系統亞裔錄取率接近40%。如果其他州的名校也能稍微往這靠一靠,別說40%,有個30%的話,問題就得到極大緩解;因為亞裔總人數畢竟有限。

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:59:02

問問你自己,你的話里有哪句不是老調重彈?

一華二代孩子說,“有本事去爭取取消校友,家族,名人孩子的特權,一視同仁,都按成績和各方面表現來。真正占名額多的是這些,其它少數族裔占名校的錄取人數遠低他們的人口比例,也低於亞裔,亞裔按人口是遠超了錄取比例了。要真公平,就去要求取消Legacy。再按學業和其他方面錄取,才會對咱們亞裔第二代孩子有利。”

對照一下你那點應試教育思維,您老相形見慚嗎?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:59:00

我們關注的是:華人又沒有得到公平的機會和權利。

你關注的是:華人有過於重視應試成績的毛病。

我承認,有些華人(不是所有華人)是有這方面的毛病。但是,他們有毛病,應該幫他們克服;卻不應該剝奪他們的權利。如果他們沒有公平的機會,即使他們克服了自身毛病,仍然得不到自己應有的權利。

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:46:53

不要再彈老調了!

許多華人子弟不光成績好,其他方面也很全面發展,卻得不到公平的機會。

前段時間有個黑人女孩得到諸多常春藤錄取通知,報紙不敢報道其成績,唯一“過硬”的表現是:幼兒園時演講得過獎。這算怎麼回事?

美國大學其實是用一些主觀、不能衡量的標準,玩弄政治,剝奪華人子弟應有的公平和權利。

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:44:15

你像是讀不懂“在上大學之能中,成績只是一部分”?

沒錯,“為什麼接受頂尖教育的人才卻可以馬虎?” 馬虎的不正是你那應試教育思維?

說你自己“本末倒置”不算為過。

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作者:旁觀者未必清 回復 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:29:43

你忘了,接受頂尖大學教育的也是一小部分。

如果競技娛樂都要那麼較真。為什麼接受頂尖教育的人才卻可以馬虎?你好像本末倒置了!

如果你或你至親的人生病,你願意找個靠平權政策勉強當醫生的,還是要找真正技術過硬的好醫生?

我來美可能比你久;對美國大學招生的內幕比你更了解。你講的那些是表面的,用來哄人的。背後的東西關乎人際、金錢和政治......

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:27:57

你這是在給你的片面和什麼叫以偏概全而舉例吧?

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:21:48

你這些話的片面顯而易見。

比賽的目的是競技/娛樂,以贏為樂,一切圍繞着贏。參與的只能是小部分競技/娛樂方面的能者。

教育/受教育的目的目標可要大得多了,涉及全民。在上大學之能中,成績只是一部分。

來美多久了?怎麼還脫不出那點應試教育思維呢?

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 21:10:54

跟你講一個真實的故事:

一個生產軍工產品的公司;其中有一個黑人和華人在同一個部門。一天,黑人有事情華人帶班。華人知道這個黑人能力差、又懶惰,非常難搞;所以帶班的時候儘量磨洋工,一個小時只完成7件產品。後來,黑人回來,大怒:怪華人做太多了!原來,該黑人一個小時只做2件。

後來,黑人又要人帶班。這次替他的是一位新來的年輕人。年輕人可能新來乍到,不知行情;也可能根本就不怕誰(他是老闆的親戚)。他結果一個小時做了120件產品!!!

這個黑人就典型的民主黨黨徒:愛搞工會鬧事。

這件事告訴我們,民主黨的平權政策實在是有害的!

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 20:54:38

為什麼NBA、NFL不實行平權政策?

如果NBA、NFL業實行平權政策,會怎麼樣?水平會大倒退,沒有觀眾要這樣!

不能因為你是亞裔和歐裔,就要照顧你進NBA。想玩籃球,自己可以找人玩,沒人限制你。只是,如果要進NBA,還是得靠實力,不能憑膚色要求照顧。

同理,成績不好,卻想讀大學,可以去社區大學;不該因為膚色就讓成績差的擠掉成績好的學位。這對國家社會有害無益!

一個公平的社會還是應該各盡所能。

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作者:一草 回復 旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 20:54:26

的確,你這些話“非常片面。不要在這裡用片面的之詞繼續欺騙華裔!”

請自省

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作者:旁觀者未必清 留言時間:2017-08-12 20:44:50

美國的社會道德及自由市場機制支持的是公平的法則和競爭。

許多西裔和非裔中產及富人子弟,貪玩不好學習,卻憑藉膚色進入好大學。其中的許多人還不能完成學業,浪費社會資源。

這公平嗎?這樣做對國家和社會有益嗎?

這些西裔和非裔富人子弟有優越的學習條件,為什麼僅憑膚色要得到額外的照顧?額外的照顧只會使他們更懶惰,更無能;也造成更多的社會不公。只有公平一致的競爭標準,才會迫使他們努力學習;這對他們是有好處的;對整體社會更是有益的!

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