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作者:忘了我 |
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留言时间:2012-04-30 14:48:31 |
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还是那句话,一夫一妻是万恶之源啊,一切事物没有了竞争都会死亡的。 |
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作者:海云 |
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留言时间:2008-11-14 18:44:36 |
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I like the following sentances:
There is no right or wrong– see her or not to see her, should or should not still love him and stay with him (your husband). You don’t have to rush to make any painful decision, when you are ready, your heart will know, and the decision won’t be as painful anymore.
A woman‘s desire to hold on to her love and family could be equally adictive as man’s desire for fresh new love.
This is exactly what I am looking for. It tells me woman who went though life time disasters knowing how to handle different situations in a proper way. Thank you very much! Maomao. I hope H can read this and understand what you meant.
By the way, my childhood nick name is also"MAOMAO". |
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作者:maomao |
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留言时间:2008-11-14 16:07:40 |
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海云, I'm one of your many quiet fans. With a very busy life, I never have time to post anything online. I adore your talent as a writer and you kindness and effect to take on the burden of helping families in crisis. This time, I feel compelled to write something for H.
H, I have been there. I feel your pain and struggle. When I read 海云’s 挽留变心的伴侣,it really felt like it was my story. I tried so hard to hold on in a poisonous relationship, for the sake of my children with special need, and my dream of a lasting love and family. I lost myself in the never-ending cycles of crushed by reality, pulled together for kids, convinced myself things were better and kept going. Those years are still painful to look back. Just want to let you know that I eventually found myself, made peace with life, even started to appreciate how these years of tough life has really made me grown to be a better and stronger person. You will be there too, pains and despair will pass, I assure you. Just be patient and forgiving with yourself. Do what you desire to do, one day at a time. There is no right or wrong– see her or not to see her, should or should not still love him and stay with him (your husband). You don’t have to rush to make any painful decision, when you are ready, your heart will know, and the decision won’t be as painful anymore.
A woman‘s desire to hold on to her love and family could be equally adictive as man’s desire for fresh new love. The ancient wisdom said look at the three things in life that you want the most, if two of them are in conflict with each other, then you will forever live in pain. For the longest time, my inability to make choices has kept me in pain – because what I want was not among the choices given to me, and I refused to accept that. We all need time to learn to let go. I wish I have time to write more. I hope the best for you. I know no matter how weak you feel about youself right now, you will make it and be surprised by your inner strength as a woman and a mother. |
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作者:海云 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 21:29:30 |
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Two more suggestions from other readers:
请让您的读者H读一读Dr.James Dobson<<Love Must Be Tough>>这本书吧,我的闺蜜当年遭遇婚外情时,从此书中得到不少帮助。....From HMLT
....大凡很多生性柔弱的女人见事都想宁事息人,以相安为好,而男人碰到这样的女人则得寸进尺, 威胁利诱....小三不如不见。把事情简单地理清为好。只是希望....女人不要对她丈夫再报太多幻想....太阳屋。 |
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作者:小百合 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 21:16:17 |
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海云:你好! 我的一个朋友说,以前她也有过类似经历.她说她 知道第三者女方后,就给她写信.主要目的当然是 阻止对方继续破坏她的家庭.但写得很委婉. (仅供参考) |
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作者:海云 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 19:56:38 |
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To H: 这里是另一个读者寄到我的伊梅尔里的意见,很中肯的。
海云,
I like your blog and visit it almost everyday. However, I don't register and can't put up any comments. Thus email you.
很多事说起来容易做起来难,尤其是临到自己头上. 但是看看这个世上,什么事都会发生, 没法预测未来,善待自己最为重要.所以, 如果H认为接受这种大奶的身份是善待自己,就见二奶.
做为旁观者, 我的想法是: 1)不见二奶,因为没必要.二奶是他弄来的. 2)在这种拉锯战过程中, 依然温柔如旧,同时在财产方面加紧行动,做对自己最有利的准备.他已经靠不住了. 3)当准备就绪,就提出离婚,让他搬出去,越远越好. 4)孩子固然重要,自己更重要. 要自立自强, 给孩子树立个榜样.其实很多大事,当你5年后回头看时,都不是什么大不了的. 重新上路!
Cheers.
Sharon |
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作者:快乐小店 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 18:57:43 |
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男人都希望三妻四妾, 乖巧的婢女伺候在旁, 红粉知己在青楼, 但99。9%的男人至少知道那只是梦, 偷偷做的白日梦。这个丈夫这样明目张胆地要求, 摆明了一点, 他只爱他自己。他是一个极度自私的人, 他的自私先天形成有之, 这个妻子的纵容有之。H就问问自己什么样的道路能给自己最好的生活质量, 精神上的,健康上的, 就照着走, 别人帮不上的。 |
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作者:良石 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 18:15:58 |
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Really rediculous!
How can this woman be so soft? Love is only one-one relationship.
I feel that to some degree it is the obidience/easy-going of woman that the man dare be so bold and rediculous!
I suggest the woman divorce the disgsting man and stand on her own feets. |
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作者:娜 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 13:38:21 |
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还是名子太太管他管的好...男人好风流 只不过各自表达方去不一 |
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作者:立青 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 10:47:11 |
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首先,这个男人基本是个人渣。因为不仅仅是出轨,还如此明目张胆地伤害自己的妻子。虽然天下很多男人都恨不得‘妻妾成群’,但做人的良知和最起码的道德和法律标准,是会遵守的。但这位老兄把所以这些扔的连一条‘裤衩’都不剩。
作为他的妻子,在做出任何决定之前,要先问自己:是要做人的尊严还是要看上去完整的家庭(不是婚姻)。如果选择了尊严,就一切诉诸法律。这样的女人,让人敬佩。如果如果选择了家庭,最好的出路是‘认头’,一切都逆来顺受。从文章里来看,与这样的男人讨论‘正常’的婚姻生活无异于‘与虎谋皮’。如果他的妻子想走一条‘中间’的路线,将有无尽的烦恼,受到无尽的精神和肉体的摧残。
明白了这些,去与不去,是支节问题,都不在话下。 |
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作者:硅谷 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 08:56:36 |
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The man is seriously sick. I 100% agree with gagawoo's comment. Your friend should leave him with the help of an lawyer. I wonder what is H's economic situation? |
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作者:海云 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 08:17:53 |
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To H: 我知道你会读,所以写在这里:下面的有些评论可能你读完心里不舒服,有些人的话语颇偏激,请参考性的读,知道他们心里是有些不平而以。我文学城的连接在这里:http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myblog.php?blogID=10156 你也可以去那边看,那边的评论比较多。我移一些过来:
Cherry06 评论于:2008-11-13 08:05:52 [回复评论] Gu Cheng :-( sweden 评论于:2008-11-13 07:58:55 [回复评论] H不该去见老公的情人.她老公该去见精神科医生! 朱婷 评论于:2008-11-13 07:28:31 [回复评论] 这样的男人,早已是身不由己,讲难听点是做了xx,还要立牌的那种.陷入了中年危机的深渊不能自拔.
单是精神出轨,尚可酌情考量(人无完人,谁没有一时的精神迷惑),可他已是身心具出,且满口妄语----发着如果那一头没着落,这一头还可继续白头的美梦,这样的人,还是一个所谓的好父亲吗(真是虚伪得可以),得让他get out.
人到中年,早已明白:退一步海阔天空的道理,文中的"小三"是没有必要见的,爱咋的咋的,不要给自己再多一个难堪,在感恩节之前,让他把该办的扶养事宜办妥,好好为自己为孩子活下去,在这个世间,没有谁离了谁会活不下去的.
执子之手,与子偕老固然是好,可是如果是天意:缘分已尽,那就随意吧,跟着自己走到最后的是自己的头脑,自己的良心.
祝福她好人平安
陷入了中年危机的深渊不能自拔 世上本无事_庸人自扰之 评论于:2008-11-13 07:12:41 [回复评论] 哈哈,看来舆论一边倒,但是你们的义愤填膺只能让事主更加情绪化,于事无补。我也看了你的另外两篇文章,大道理都对,但不实用。对打定主意出轨的男人(女人也一样)晓之以理,动之以情,都是脱裤子放屁,多此一举!你唯一的选择是让他(她)知难而退或放手。
先说说别的。哪个男人不想妻妾成群啊?哪个女人不想每天不同的情人送花啊?喜新厌旧是人类的天性,如果你从没过这种幻想,我敢肯定你的基因有突变过!但是真正付诸行动的不多,为什么?因为知难而退。你想一想什么会是他的难和她的难?
再说点别的,如果突然的车祸,你先生走了,你和你的孩子就不活了?就是嘛,这个地球少了谁都一样转!离婚也不是世界的末日,只有想通了这一点,你才能心平气和下来对症下药。
为什么你先生又要离婚,又要你严守秘密?噢,照样做孩子的爹妈?看来他不想伤害孩子。你告诉他你也有机会开始感情的新篇章,但是你也不想伤害孩子。可惜不伤害不可能,法律上的离婚一定要经过法庭,子女的监护权是极其重要的一部分,法官甚至会直接问孩子的意向,你问他瞒着孩子是否可能。
去不去会他的女友?当然去,不仅去,而且谈笑风声,告诉她所有你老公生活中需要照顾的地方。譬如:“啊,我先生很喜欢酸辣汤,你会不会做啊?不会?没关系啦,慢慢学啦,呵呵,记住先放盐,味精最后放。。。”然后讲你的孩子:“周六弹琴,周日打球。。。你认不认路?不认?没关系啦,让我先生给你买个GPS,呵呵。。。”在讲“我先生”一词时要特亲切。
都无效的话,那你就放手,who knows, maybe you will get a better life too! Good Luck! laoshan88 评论于:2008-11-13 06:45:49 [回复评论] 中年女人遇到这种事确实很难。连Hilary这样强势的女人都选择了原谅(有人说她不离婚是为了利用克林顿,也许是)。男人离了会很快找到更年轻的女人,女人离了,尤其是40岁以后又带孩子,再结婚的可能性几乎是零。而女人又太注重婚姻了。 这就是女人的悲哀。我觉得一个女人为挽救婚姻作出努力是对的。这和尊严什么的没关系。但这位丈夫好像太无耻了太欺人太甚了,还是离了算了。但离婚时,财产,子女赡养费等问题一定要解决好。 弄堂小姐 评论于:2008-11-13 06:38:49 [回复评论] 当然是不要去见这个丈夫的情人,这个丈夫也不是人,建议赶紧把他从生命里删除。 人渣。。。 雨湖 评论于:2008-11-13 06:25:37 [回复评论] 我平时都是潜水不发言的,实在忍不住了。这个男的实在欺人太甚了,而他太太居然还在考虑他的建议。一个人带孩子过得再艰难,也好过这样没有尊严地生活。这样的男人,马上离开他,真是渣滓。他的email,这些作为离婚证据,别便宜了他,让他付抚养费,以后再也不要和他纠缠。这样的品格,即使没有这个,也会有下一个第三者的。 tk84 评论于:2008-11-13 03:32:37 [回复评论] 如果这女人是家庭主妇,从来没工作,那另当别论,离了根本就无法生存。 tk84 评论于:2008-11-13 03:29:16 [回复评论] 这女人还叫“要强”?任何一个“要强”的女人都不会无自尊到如此地步啊。这男人把她当成人了吗?自己在外边有人,居然要求女人“严守秘密,夫妻仍然住在一起(情人已在两千里之外),照样做孩子的爹妈,住在一个屋檐之下。若两三年后,他和情人分道扬镳(他可能心知肚明小他过一轮的年轻女孩与他一个二号小老头好不长久),他再和发妻重相携到老。”,又要玩,还要给自己留后路。这如意算盘打的!不要家的不是这个女人,是这个男人啊,如何挽救?就是在古代要呐妾,也得分个大小啊。这女人真的脑袋进水了,还在考虑去不去见他的情人。一个正常女人再大度能接受到男人在外边悄悄玩,不问不管就算了,大概无法接受到如此地步吧?我说句难听话吧,如果这叫好强宽容,我只能说她根本不懂啥叫婚姻家庭。 扬子江酒店 评论于:2008-11-13 01:48:07 [回复评论] ‘你也知道我幻想我能拥有两个妻子’-真够无耻的! 写个email告诉那个男人,我外面也有一个男情人,也想拥有两个丈夫,不如大家4个人都在一个屋檐下生活算了。。。神经病! 怎么这种故事经久不衰?我同事N年前遇到的一模一样,她立刻离了婚,一个人带着两个孩子。男人和年轻女人结了婚,后来女人还生了一个孩子。 最初的艰难挺过来了,现在女儿们高中毕业了,后面老婆生的小孩也10岁了。回头看,日子也不就这样过来了。不能挽救的婚姻还是放弃好,关键是调整好自己的心态。 safying 评论于:2008-11-13 01:31:17 [回复评论] 回复风鹣沧月的评论: 太对了,这不是拯救婚姻,这是让恶人向地狱滑的更远。 早离开,对谁都是负责。 孩子迟早是要知道的,如果让他爹树立这个典范,长大以后难免不照葫芦画瓢。。。 7788520 评论于:2008-11-13 01:15:03 [回复评论] 晕,越想越想不明白,还来说两句。这人都怎么了?病态不至于病态到这程度啊。男人有情人不知耻不隐瞒居然还要女人去见面?女人到了这境地还在问应该不应该去见面? 是不是真是“当局者迷”啊,我这旁观者来看,觉得都双方都走的太远了。 风鹣沧月 评论于:2008-11-13 00:41:26 [回复评论] 这女人怎么了??这种情况还叫拯救家庭吗?这已经跟什么智慧,宽容扯不上关系了,这叫纵容犯罪吧 7788520 评论于:2008-11-13 00:36:03 [回复评论] 这不是北美的道德标准,这是华人男女的故事。这个女人有点病吧,看了这种故事,我只一句,欺人太甚。 forestea 评论于:2008-11-13 00:27:27 [回复评论] 这样的男人为什么还要挽回呢? 这男人的想法很奇怪啊,在任何情况下这个妻子也不可能,同时也没有任何必要去喜欢这个女孩啊,北美的道德标准这么低么? TZMAN 评论于:2008-11-12 23:40:27 [回复评论] 这还不简单,俩办法:一、砸锅卖铁;二、破釜沉舟。
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嗯?不对,我错了,就是一个办法!
算了,顺其自然吧,怎么修行都有成正果的。 快乐生活123 评论于:2008-11-12 23:12:38 [回复评论] 没必要见吧。1)这是那个男人的事情,应该让他自己来处理;2)见了面就好像在某种程度上认可了这种关系和这个男人想要的生活状态;3)听起来这个老婆不是这个情人的对手,见了面弄不好这个情人在梨花带雨在男人面前杜撰出这个老婆如何的责难她,到时这个老婆百口难辩啊,而男人也就更理直气壮了。 gagawoo 评论于:2008-11-12 23:05:09 [回复评论] The wife has already made a big mistake by allowing the husband to treat her like that, it would be even more stupid for her to see this younger woman. What I see from your description is that the husband is abusing the wife's insecurity and desire of keeping the family together. But children are very smart. They must have noticed that things are different.
No matter the wife wants or does not want to keep the husband, she should leave him and start her own life. Let him enjoy his "ideal" life. She can NEVER get any respect or real love from the husband by making compromise like she has been doing. And what I see is that her way of dealing with the situation is going to have very bad impact on her children. The children may very likely repeat their parents story when they grow up.
No! Do NOT go to meet with the younger woman. From your story, I could not tell if the husband has married the girl or not. If the girl is going to be in the children's life, the wife should NOT talk negatively about the girl either because it is any way their father's choice.
I think the best way is for your friend -- the wife, to leave the husband, and move on with her own life. No need to meet with the girl, but be courtesy to her -- do not create unnecessary bad karma for herself and for the children. |
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作者:名子 |
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留言时间:2008-11-13 02:50:22 |
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这位妻子:
我认为见也可以,就是一定让对方上门,在自己家里见,要对方给您上茶、、、 您让孩子看电影去,让孩子老爸陪着看电影也行、、、(要是您X老公要您在外头见,您替我揣他一脚,也忒他妈的不是东西了!)
然后,您一摔袖子一抿嘴,、、、在孩子看完电影之前,走人 (当然是她走了)。
不见也可以,随您干什么。
(这不是导演在电影)。
万维博客的圈子很窄,建议到更大的人群中去征求意见。 如果还想得到个精确答案,做个调查,vote 一下。见还是不见:fifty fifty etc. etc.
很显然这不是一个见与不见的问题,而第一是感情上,妻子能否容忍丈夫找两个老婆的问题。自古到今,男人哭着闹着要娶小老婆的很多(而女人笑着揉着向老公要小老公的不大听说——不是也有女人幻想和三个男人生活的故事么、、、?) 男人付诸行动的也不少。至于私下和妻子如何沟通,方式很多,因人而易。大家都知道这是个法律和人伦之间的矛盾。但感情这问题不好说。我并不清楚您的意图。
第二是现实问题(在律师面前,最好不要谈感情,这样会付更多的钱)太繁琐,同样各有千秋。我老婆这么说:
“离婚,可以,八百万!”
又这么简单。
不要以为我说的都是笑话! -Mz |
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作者:小百合 |
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留言时间:2008-11-12 22:45:15 |
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她的丈夫已经提出离婚了?那如果还要让他的妻子去跟他演戏给情人看, 那她何不提出条件来?就说如果不离婚就可以见其情人,如果坚持离婚, 就没有必要去见情人.不能无条件的委曲求全.但她应该做好各种离婚后 的准备了,尤其是经济上的,财产上的.银行帐户上的.并且要在当地妇女 团体或宗教团体参加活动,学好英文为由,多认识朋友,不要等到真离婚 时而束手无策?其实,没有感情的婚姻是非常危险的!英语中有句话是说: man is a animal.人类是动物,男人是动物.所以,聪明的女人要做好一 切防备,从精神上到物质上防备受到具有动物本能的男人的伤害.
当然,情人就是想得到绿卡?其实,可以帮助她找工作什么的,只要有了 正式工作,一般单位就会帮助她申请和办理绿卡的.如果,她的丈夫还没 完全嫌弃她,还有挽回的余地?她就要想方设法的提高自己,充实自己, 美化修饰自己,要做得表现得比他的情人还可爱,而不能一味的委曲求全. (仅供参考) |
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作者:usagi |
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留言时间:2008-11-12 22:43:59 |
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honestly, H should have enough self respect not to go see the girl, why? what's the point ? to get herself to like her? it's not like we are trying to pick the best candiate for step mom here.
if all, she should come and pay H the respect that H deserves.
Plus, leave the A-hole husband, dump him, can't have his cake and eat it too, pick and choose.
plus, if a man is going to cheat, he is going to cheat this time, even if he breaks it with this one, he is going to have another one. it is a matter of his choice, not H's.
H can only meet him half way in marriage and seems like she has done all she can, and the rest is up to him, and since he is such a 朽木不可雕也,then just dump the jerk. he isn't worth Hs time nor effort, especially if there are children involved, then what kind of role model are you setting for the kids? |
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