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作者:忘了我 |
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留言時間:2012-04-30 14:48:31 |
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還是那句話,一夫一妻是萬惡之源啊,一切事物沒有了競爭都會死亡的。 |
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作者:海雲 |
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留言時間:2008-11-14 18:44:36 |
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I like the following sentances:
There is no right or wrong– see her or not to see her, should or should not still love him and stay with him (your husband). You don’t have to rush to make any painful decision, when you are ready, your heart will know, and the decision won’t be as painful anymore.
A woman‘s desire to hold on to her love and family could be equally adictive as man’s desire for fresh new love.
This is exactly what I am looking for. It tells me woman who went though life time disasters knowing how to handle different situations in a proper way. Thank you very much! Maomao. I hope H can read this and understand what you meant.
By the way, my childhood nick name is also"MAOMAO". |
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作者:maomao |
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留言時間:2008-11-14 16:07:40 |
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海雲, I'm one of your many quiet fans. With a very busy life, I never have time to post anything online. I adore your talent as a writer and you kindness and effect to take on the burden of helping families in crisis. This time, I feel compelled to write something for H.
H, I have been there. I feel your pain and struggle. When I read 海雲’s 挽留變心的伴侶,it really felt like it was my story. I tried so hard to hold on in a poisonous relationship, for the sake of my children with special need, and my dream of a lasting love and family. I lost myself in the never-ending cycles of crushed by reality, pulled together for kids, convinced myself things were better and kept going. Those years are still painful to look back. Just want to let you know that I eventually found myself, made peace with life, even started to appreciate how these years of tough life has really made me grown to be a better and stronger person. You will be there too, pains and despair will pass, I assure you. Just be patient and forgiving with yourself. Do what you desire to do, one day at a time. There is no right or wrong– see her or not to see her, should or should not still love him and stay with him (your husband). You don’t have to rush to make any painful decision, when you are ready, your heart will know, and the decision won’t be as painful anymore.
A woman‘s desire to hold on to her love and family could be equally adictive as man’s desire for fresh new love. The ancient wisdom said look at the three things in life that you want the most, if two of them are in conflict with each other, then you will forever live in pain. For the longest time, my inability to make choices has kept me in pain – because what I want was not among the choices given to me, and I refused to accept that. We all need time to learn to let go. I wish I have time to write more. I hope the best for you. I know no matter how weak you feel about youself right now, you will make it and be surprised by your inner strength as a woman and a mother. |
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作者:海雲 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 21:29:30 |
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Two more suggestions from other readers:
請讓您的讀者H讀一讀Dr.James Dobson<<Love Must Be Tough>>這本書吧,我的閨蜜當年遭遇婚外情時,從此書中得到不少幫助。....From HMLT
....大凡很多生性柔弱的女人見事都想寧事息人,以相安為好,而男人碰到這樣的女人則得寸進尺, 威脅利誘....小三不如不見。把事情簡單地理清為好。只是希望....女人不要對她丈夫再報太多幻想....太陽屋。 |
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作者:小百合 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 21:16:17 |
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海雲:你好! 我的一個朋友說,以前她也有過類似經歷.她說她 知道第三者女方後,就給她寫信.主要目的當然是 阻止對方繼續破壞她的家庭.但寫得很委婉. (僅供參考) |
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作者:海雲 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 19:56:38 |
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To H: 這裡是另一個讀者寄到我的伊梅爾里的意見,很中肯的。
海雲,
I like your blog and visit it almost everyday. However, I don't register and can't put up any comments. Thus email you.
很多事說起來容易做起來難,尤其是臨到自己頭上. 但是看看這個世上,什麼事都會發生, 沒法預測未來,善待自己最為重要.所以, 如果H認為接受這種大奶的身份是善待自己,就見二奶.
做為旁觀者, 我的想法是: 1)不見二奶,因為沒必要.二奶是他弄來的. 2)在這種拉鋸戰過程中, 依然溫柔如舊,同時在財產方面加緊行動,做對自己最有利的準備.他已經靠不住了. 3)當準備就緒,就提出離婚,讓他搬出去,越遠越好. 4)孩子固然重要,自己更重要. 要自立自強, 給孩子樹立個榜樣.其實很多大事,當你5年後回頭看時,都不是什麼大不了的. 重新上路!
Cheers.
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作者:快樂小店 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 18:57:43 |
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男人都希望三妻四妾, 乖巧的婢女伺候在旁, 紅粉知己在青樓, 但99。9%的男人至少知道那只是夢, 偷偷做的白日夢。這個丈夫這樣明目張胆地要求, 擺明了一點, 他只愛他自己。他是一個極度自私的人, 他的自私先天形成有之, 這個妻子的縱容有之。H就問問自己什麼樣的道路能給自己最好的生活質量, 精神上的,健康上的, 就照着走, 別人幫不上的。 |
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作者:良石 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 18:15:58 |
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Really rediculous!
How can this woman be so soft? Love is only one-one relationship.
I feel that to some degree it is the obidience/easy-going of woman that the man dare be so bold and rediculous!
I suggest the woman divorce the disgsting man and stand on her own feets. |
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作者:娜 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 13:38:21 |
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還是名子太太管他管的好...男人好風流 只不過各自表達方去不一 |
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作者:立青 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 10:47:11 |
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首先,這個男人基本是個人渣。因為不僅僅是出軌,還如此明目張胆地傷害自己的妻子。雖然天下很多男人都恨不得‘妻妾成群’,但做人的良知和最起碼的道德和法律標準,是會遵守的。但這位老兄把所以這些扔的連一條‘褲衩’都不剩。
作為他的妻子,在做出任何決定之前,要先問自己:是要做人的尊嚴還是要看上去完整的家庭(不是婚姻)。如果選擇了尊嚴,就一切訴諸法律。這樣的女人,讓人敬佩。如果如果選擇了家庭,最好的出路是‘認頭’,一切都逆來順受。從文章里來看,與這樣的男人討論‘正常’的婚姻生活無異於‘與虎謀皮’。如果他的妻子想走一條‘中間’的路線,將有無盡的煩惱,受到無盡的精神和肉體的摧殘。
明白了這些,去與不去,是支節問題,都不在話下。 |
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作者:硅谷 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 08:56:36 |
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The man is seriously sick. I 100% agree with gagawoo's comment. Your friend should leave him with the help of an lawyer. I wonder what is H's economic situation? |
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作者:海雲 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 08:17:53 |
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To H: 我知道你會讀,所以寫在這裡:下面的有些評論可能你讀完心裡不舒服,有些人的話語頗偏激,請參考性的讀,知道他們心裡是有些不平而以。我文學城的連接在這裡:http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myblog.php?blogID=10156 你也可以去那邊看,那邊的評論比較多。我移一些過來:
Cherry06 評論於:2008-11-13 08:05:52 [回複評論] Gu Cheng :-( sweden 評論於:2008-11-13 07:58:55 [回複評論] H不該去見老公的情人.她老公該去見精神科醫生! 朱婷 評論於:2008-11-13 07:28:31 [回複評論] 這樣的男人,早已是身不由己,講難聽點是做了xx,還要立牌的那種.陷入了中年危機的深淵不能自拔.
單是精神出軌,尚可酌情考量(人無完人,誰沒有一時的精神迷惑),可他已是身心具出,且滿口妄語----發着如果那一頭沒着落,這一頭還可繼續白頭的美夢,這樣的人,還是一個所謂的好父親嗎(真是虛偽得可以),得讓他get out.
人到中年,早已明白:退一步海闊天空的道理,文中的"小三"是沒有必要見的,愛咋的咋的,不要給自己再多一個難堪,在感恩節之前,讓他把該辦的扶養事宜辦妥,好好為自己為孩子活下去,在這個世間,沒有誰離了誰會活不下去的.
執子之手,與子偕老固然是好,可是如果是天意:緣分已盡,那就隨意吧,跟着自己走到最後的是自己的頭腦,自己的良心.
祝福她好人平安
陷入了中年危機的深淵不能自拔 世上本無事_庸人自擾之 評論於:2008-11-13 07:12:41 [回複評論] 哈哈,看來輿論一邊倒,但是你們的義憤填膺只能讓事主更加情緒化,於事無補。我也看了你的另外兩篇文章,大道理都對,但不實用。對打定主意出軌的男人(女人也一樣)曉之以理,動之以情,都是脫褲子放屁,多此一舉!你唯一的選擇是讓他(她)知難而退或放手。
先說說別的。哪個男人不想妻妾成群啊?哪個女人不想每天不同的情人送花啊?喜新厭舊是人類的天性,如果你從沒過這種幻想,我敢肯定你的基因有突變過!但是真正付諸行動的不多,為什麼?因為知難而退。你想一想什麼會是他的難和她的難?
再說點別的,如果突然的車禍,你先生走了,你和你的孩子就不活了?就是嘛,這個地球少了誰都一樣轉!離婚也不是世界的末日,只有想通了這一點,你才能心平氣和下來對症下藥。
為什麼你先生又要離婚,又要你嚴守秘密?噢,照樣做孩子的爹媽?看來他不想傷害孩子。你告訴他你也有機會開始感情的新篇章,但是你也不想傷害孩子。可惜不傷害不可能,法律上的離婚一定要經過法庭,子女的監護權是極其重要的一部分,法官甚至會直接問孩子的意向,你問他瞞着孩子是否可能。
去不去會他的女友?當然去,不僅去,而且談笑風聲,告訴她所有你老公生活中需要照顧的地方。譬如:“啊,我先生很喜歡酸辣湯,你會不會做啊?不會?沒關係啦,慢慢學啦,呵呵,記住先放鹽,味精最後放。。。”然後講你的孩子:“周六彈琴,周日打球。。。你認不認路?不認?沒關係啦,讓我先生給你買個GPS,呵呵。。。”在講“我先生”一詞時要特親切。
都無效的話,那你就放手,who knows, maybe you will get a better life too! Good Luck! laoshan88 評論於:2008-11-13 06:45:49 [回複評論] 中年女人遇到這種事確實很難。連Hilary這樣強勢的女人都選擇了原諒(有人說她不離婚是為了利用克林頓,也許是)。男人離了會很快找到更年輕的女人,女人離了,尤其是40歲以後又帶孩子,再結婚的可能性幾乎是零。而女人又太注重婚姻了。 這就是女人的悲哀。我覺得一個女人為挽救婚姻作出努力是對的。這和尊嚴什麼的沒關係。但這位丈夫好像太無恥了太欺人太甚了,還是離了算了。但離婚時,財產,子女贍養費等問題一定要解決好。 弄堂小姐 評論於:2008-11-13 06:38:49 [回複評論] 當然是不要去見這個丈夫的情人,這個丈夫也不是人,建議趕緊把他從生命里刪除。 人渣。。。 雨湖 評論於:2008-11-13 06:25:37 [回複評論] 我平時都是潛水不發言的,實在忍不住了。這個男的實在欺人太甚了,而他太太居然還在考慮他的建議。一個人帶孩子過得再艱難,也好過這樣沒有尊嚴地生活。這樣的男人,馬上離開他,真是渣滓。他的email,這些作為離婚證據,別便宜了他,讓他付撫養費,以後再也不要和他糾纏。這樣的品格,即使沒有這個,也會有下一個第三者的。 tk84 評論於:2008-11-13 03:32:37 [回複評論] 如果這女人是家庭主婦,從來沒工作,那另當別論,離了根本就無法生存。 tk84 評論於:2008-11-13 03:29:16 [回複評論] 這女人還叫“要強”?任何一個“要強”的女人都不會無自尊到如此地步啊。這男人把她當成人了嗎?自己在外邊有人,居然要求女人“嚴守秘密,夫妻仍然住在一起(情人已在兩千里之外),照樣做孩子的爹媽,住在一個屋檐之下。若兩三年後,他和情人分道揚鑣(他可能心知肚明小他過一輪的年輕女孩與他一個二號小老頭好不長久),他再和髮妻重相攜到老。”,又要玩,還要給自己留後路。這如意算盤打的!不要家的不是這個女人,是這個男人啊,如何挽救?就是在古代要吶妾,也得分個大小啊。這女人真的腦袋進水了,還在考慮去不去見他的情人。一個正常女人再大度能接受到男人在外邊悄悄玩,不問不管就算了,大概無法接受到如此地步吧?我說句難聽話吧,如果這叫好強寬容,我只能說她根本不懂啥叫婚姻家庭。 揚子江酒店 評論於:2008-11-13 01:48:07 [回複評論] ‘你也知道我幻想我能擁有兩個妻子’-真夠無恥的! 寫個email告訴那個男人,我外面也有一個男情人,也想擁有兩個丈夫,不如大家4個人都在一個屋檐下生活算了。。。神經病! 怎麼這種故事經久不衰?我同事N年前遇到的一模一樣,她立刻離了婚,一個人帶着兩個孩子。男人和年輕女人結了婚,後來女人還生了一個孩子。 最初的艱難挺過來了,現在女兒們高中畢業了,後面老婆生的小孩也10歲了。回頭看,日子也不就這樣過來了。不能挽救的婚姻還是放棄好,關鍵是調整好自己的心態。 safying 評論於:2008-11-13 01:31:17 [回複評論] 回復風鶼滄月的評論: 太對了,這不是拯救婚姻,這是讓惡人向地獄滑的更遠。 早離開,對誰都是負責。 孩子遲早是要知道的,如果讓他爹樹立這個典範,長大以後難免不照葫蘆畫瓢。。。 7788520 評論於:2008-11-13 01:15:03 [回複評論] 暈,越想越想不明白,還來說兩句。這人都怎麼了?病態不至於病態到這程度啊。男人有情人不知恥不隱瞞居然還要女人去見面?女人到了這境地還在問應該不應該去見面? 是不是真是“當局者迷”啊,我這旁觀者來看,覺得都雙方都走的太遠了。 風鶼滄月 評論於:2008-11-13 00:41:26 [回複評論] 這女人怎麼了??這種情況還叫拯救家庭嗎?這已經跟什麼智慧,寬容扯不上關係了,這叫縱容犯罪吧 7788520 評論於:2008-11-13 00:36:03 [回複評論] 這不是北美的道德標準,這是華人男女的故事。這個女人有點病吧,看了這種故事,我只一句,欺人太甚。 forestea 評論於:2008-11-13 00:27:27 [回複評論] 這樣的男人為什麼還要挽回呢? 這男人的想法很奇怪啊,在任何情況下這個妻子也不可能,同時也沒有任何必要去喜歡這個女孩啊,北美的道德標準這麼低麼? TZMAN 評論於:2008-11-12 23:40:27 [回複評論] 這還不簡單,倆辦法:一、砸鍋賣鐵;二、破釜沉舟。
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嗯?不對,我錯了,就是一個辦法!
算了,順其自然吧,怎麼修行都有成正果的。 快樂生活123 評論於:2008-11-12 23:12:38 [回複評論] 沒必要見吧。1)這是那個男人的事情,應該讓他自己來處理;2)見了面就好像在某種程度上認可了這種關係和這個男人想要的生活狀態;3)聽起來這個老婆不是這個情人的對手,見了面弄不好這個情人在梨花帶雨在男人面前杜撰出這個老婆如何的責難她,到時這個老婆百口難辯啊,而男人也就更理直氣壯了。 gagawoo 評論於:2008-11-12 23:05:09 [回複評論] The wife has already made a big mistake by allowing the husband to treat her like that, it would be even more stupid for her to see this younger woman. What I see from your description is that the husband is abusing the wife's insecurity and desire of keeping the family together. But children are very smart. They must have noticed that things are different.
No matter the wife wants or does not want to keep the husband, she should leave him and start her own life. Let him enjoy his "ideal" life. She can NEVER get any respect or real love from the husband by making compromise like she has been doing. And what I see is that her way of dealing with the situation is going to have very bad impact on her children. The children may very likely repeat their parents story when they grow up.
No! Do NOT go to meet with the younger woman. From your story, I could not tell if the husband has married the girl or not. If the girl is going to be in the children's life, the wife should NOT talk negatively about the girl either because it is any way their father's choice.
I think the best way is for your friend -- the wife, to leave the husband, and move on with her own life. No need to meet with the girl, but be courtesy to her -- do not create unnecessary bad karma for herself and for the children. |
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作者:名子 |
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留言時間:2008-11-13 02:50:22 |
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這位妻子:
我認為見也可以,就是一定讓對方上門,在自己家裡見,要對方給您上茶、、、 您讓孩子看電影去,讓孩子老爸陪着看電影也行、、、(要是您X老公要您在外頭見,您替我揣他一腳,也忒他媽的不是東西了!)
然後,您一摔袖子一抿嘴,、、、在孩子看完電影之前,走人 (當然是她走了)。
不見也可以,隨您幹什麼。
(這不是導演在電影)。
萬維博客的圈子很窄,建議到更大的人群中去徵求意見。 如果還想得到個精確答案,做個調查,vote 一下。見還是不見:fifty fifty etc. etc.
很顯然這不是一個見與不見的問題,而第一是感情上,妻子能否容忍丈夫找兩個老婆的問題。自古到今,男人哭着鬧着要娶小老婆的很多(而女人笑着揉着向老公要小老公的不大聽說——不是也有女人幻想和三個男人生活的故事麼、、、?) 男人付諸行動的也不少。至於私下和妻子如何溝通,方式很多,因人而易。大家都知道這是個法律和人倫之間的矛盾。但感情這問題不好說。我並不清楚您的意圖。
第二是現實問題(在律師面前,最好不要談感情,這樣會付更多的錢)太繁瑣,同樣各有千秋。我老婆這麼說:
“離婚,可以,八百萬!”
又這麼簡單。
不要以為我說的都是笑話! -Mz |
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作者:小百合 |
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留言時間:2008-11-12 22:45:15 |
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她的丈夫已經提出離婚了?那如果還要讓他的妻子去跟他演戲給情人看, 那她何不提出條件來?就說如果不離婚就可以見其情人,如果堅持離婚, 就沒有必要去見情人.不能無條件的委曲求全.但她應該做好各種離婚後 的準備了,尤其是經濟上的,財產上的.銀行帳戶上的.並且要在當地婦女 團體或宗教團體參加活動,學好英文為由,多認識朋友,不要等到真離婚 時而束手無策?其實,沒有感情的婚姻是非常危險的!英語中有句話是說: man is a animal.人類是動物,男人是動物.所以,聰明的女人要做好一 切防備,從精神上到物質上防備受到具有動物本能的男人的傷害.
當然,情人就是想得到綠卡?其實,可以幫助她找工作什麼的,只要有了 正式工作,一般單位就會幫助她申請和辦理綠卡的.如果,她的丈夫還沒 完全嫌棄她,還有挽回的餘地?她就要想方設法的提高自己,充實自己, 美化修飾自己,要做得表現得比他的情人還可愛,而不能一味的委曲求全. (僅供參考) |
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作者:usagi |
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留言時間:2008-11-12 22:43:59 |
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honestly, H should have enough self respect not to go see the girl, why? what's the point ? to get herself to like her? it's not like we are trying to pick the best candiate for step mom here.
if all, she should come and pay H the respect that H deserves.
Plus, leave the A-hole husband, dump him, can't have his cake and eat it too, pick and choose.
plus, if a man is going to cheat, he is going to cheat this time, even if he breaks it with this one, he is going to have another one. it is a matter of his choice, not H's.
H can only meet him half way in marriage and seems like she has done all she can, and the rest is up to him, and since he is such a 朽木不可雕也,then just dump the jerk. he isn't worth Hs time nor effort, especially if there are children involved, then what kind of role model are you setting for the kids? |
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